they re places where people used even 7x64 on savanensis not every country as the same rule and some internet people are posting wrong infos as well. ph are not god for sure and do not enforce caliber rules.
moving on up 375hh to 416 rigby
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they re places where people used even 7x64 on savanensis not every country as the same rule and some internet people are posting wrong infos as well. ph are not god for sure and do not enforce caliber rules.
there are countries where there is no caliber limitations. in the countries where there is such a limitation like zimbabwe, zambia or tanzania there are many ways to use calibers that are not supposed to be legal in the gazette term.
i want to hear your phs not letting you use your 9.3x62 or 74r for big game (big 4) in those countries ... last year an elephant was taken legally by a 30-06 220 grains fmj in zambia while the gazette says .375 minimun parks and outfitter ph association gave the go legally ...
on a legal side do you think a ph can force an hunter to do like he wants ... that is the same way here someone can do illegal stuffs being told to not do and getting and paying the consequences not the ph or the guide.
ph training is not the same all across the african continent, not all of them are going trhough the 3 years training process of zimbabwe ...
A Female guide/wrangler/cook that worked in the Yukon and B.C. told me “the bigger the gun, the smaller the ######” She also said she made more money doing “favours “ for the hunters than she got for her official duty’s.
I just bought a .458 Win. Mag, every time I inspect it, I think of her!
I just bought a .458 Win. Mag, every time I inspect it, I think of her!
that is hilarioous ... i do think hat some shoot well with upper level calibers and some cannot with a 30-06 ... for the job she is doing aside of her job well we call that prostitution ...
BigUglyMan
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What we tend to forget is that people that go on these hunts, frequently, have vastly divergent amounts of shooting experience that people that like to tinker with rifles, especially big rifles.
I would hazard a guess that you have shot more heavy game than just about any any non-professional and I'm damn near certain that you have shot more animals with heavy rifles than anyone currently alive.
westcoaster
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I picked up a 416Rigby about 15 years ago when I was toying with the idea of an African hunt. Ended up using it mostly on bears.
I shoot two loads, a plinking load and a "full house" load.
For the light load I by the inexpensive speer 350grn bullets. IIRC about 95 grns of H4831fine cut. Comparitively speaking this is moderate recoil. The POI is different from the full house loads but the point of these is to get and keep the muscle memory for handling that beast up to date.
The full house loads uses a 400grn Swift AFrame on top of 120grns of H4831sc. I consider myself fairly recoil tolerant but this really gets your attention.
Mine is in a CZ550 Magnum. When I bought it I bought a higher capacity magazine box so it will carry five in the mag and one in the chamber if you wish. A very accurate and effective rifle.
Find which one has available ammo. I have some large bores and now find it difficult to impossible to find ammo because the supply chains are broken due to covid. Do also consider the 416 Remington. For the ultimate 416 consider the 416WBY. It is still under 10,000J. I had the 458 lott and like that 458 Win could be used in it.
I recently stepped up from a 375HH to a 416 Rigby in the same rifle. The jump in recoil feels about 50% more even though the Rigby rifle is heavier.
I'd compare the felt recoil of the 400 grain Rigby loads doing 2,400fps to that of a 500gr 500 Win Mag doing 2,140 fps.
What's even more noticeable is the price of factory ammo. I've picked up 200 rounds so far and $11/round is about as cheap as you can find it. I definitely plan on reloading for this cartridge this year.
I'm hoping to take everything from White Tail to Bison with it over the course of the next two years.
I'd compare the felt recoil of the 400 grain Rigby loads doing 2,400fps to that of a 500gr 500 Win Mag doing 2,140 fps.
What's even more noticeable is the price of factory ammo. I've picked up 200 rounds so far and $11/round is about as cheap as you can find it. I definitely plan on reloading for this cartridge this year.
I'm hoping to take everything from White Tail to Bison with it over the course of the next two years.
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I had a few 375hh over the years and sold them to buy a 416 rem mag. I enjoy the .416 rem shooting the 300gr barnes at 2800fps. I also shoot the 350 hotcor and the 350 woodleighs at 2600. It’s a step up from the 375 but not by much in the recoil department. My rifle is a Winchester safari express.
My experience with bison- 416 Rigby 400 gr Nosler Partition on a medium cow simply flattened it at 100 yards. Plenty of blood shoot in between the layers of muscle effect. 375 H&H with 300 gr. Soft point, 300 gr. TSX, 2 times 350 gr. Woodliegh all worked good and predictable. 9.3x62 290 gr. Matrix ballistics took my biggest bison so far. I find the 416 Rigby much more powerful on both ends. Now if I can find a bison with my 404 Jeffery.
Awesome, what rifles were you using? 550's?
Had a couple of Rigbys over the years. Had Remingtons since they first came out. The Rigby has the cool factor, needs a bigger platform and is killer when loaded to full power. The Remington can be housed in smaller guns ( 8-8 1/2 lbs ) and packed around easier.
Nostalgia and history mostly. Same reason I didn't go with a 416 Ruger or 375 Ruger.
In terms of capacity, my Rigby holds 4+1, do most RemMags hold 5 in the magazine?
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My custom shop .416 Rigby CZ550 American Safari Magnum really like it. https://i.imgur.com/Scx0d7W.jpg
Got all 4 .416's, .416 Wby has most case capacity, 20" barrel carbines in .416 RM & .416 Ruger tote nicely. https://i.imgur.com/lPX3DkU.jpg
Got all 4 .416's, .416 Wby has most case capacity, 20" barrel carbines in .416 RM & .416 Ruger tote nicely. https://i.imgur.com/lPX3DkU.jpg
nowarningshot
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I was surprised in reloading the Rigby. Own and have owned most of the big magnums. Rigby uses rather faster powders than I would have expected, and is historically loaded to lower pressure. Suppose that's because of tropical temperatures in Africa and Asia. Most historic powders would have been very temperature instabil. In a modern rifle, in Kanada, I suppose you could load the 416 Rigby much hotter. Powders used to get decent performance in the Ruger cases should really push the Rigby with its big case. We've come a long ways from cordite.
In the end though, I'm not really sure of the point. The obvious problem is recoil. Secondly, while the 375's have decent projectiles, and can be useful to mid range, the 416's dont/aren't. It's in a no man's range between the versatility of the 375's and the true stopping rifles. Seems to me most high bc 416 projectiles are designed for target calibers like the cheytac. Thirdly, if you hunted with a hot loaded 416, it's really only useful in the remote north, or Africa. To handle the recoil, you'd want a heavy rifle, and packing that 10-20 km a day is more than my broken body could handle
In the end though, I'm not really sure of the point. The obvious problem is recoil. Secondly, while the 375's have decent projectiles, and can be useful to mid range, the 416's dont/aren't. It's in a no man's range between the versatility of the 375's and the true stopping rifles. Seems to me most high bc 416 projectiles are designed for target calibers like the cheytac. Thirdly, if you hunted with a hot loaded 416, it's really only useful in the remote north, or Africa. To handle the recoil, you'd want a heavy rifle, and packing that 10-20 km a day is more than my broken body could handle
