Holland and Holland's O/U Everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask

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From the Facebook page of The Double Gun Journal, as can be seen the original article is from shotguncollector.com. I'm not sure how this will work- when I first opened it, it was Cyrillic but with an option to translate the text into English. The link is below but I should mention that I was still left with a mildly tangled article, linguistically speaking. Still, I found it very interesting and informative.

https://shotguncollector.com/2024/0...e2avnIzgACZsUy94KS7wFit-R8lPJeYKlfcJ8PMLUz-40
 
Interesting article... and some stunning o/u

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Igor posts regularly on the DoubleGun forums with links to his articles. Extremely well researched on a wide variety of classic shotguns .
 
It is in fact the answer to my dreams, with a double trigger. I wonder what I could get on a mortgage for this place here? Throw in a free banged up vehicle too.

Well, it would likely have to be a Range Rover though, the banged up vehicle that is .
Some guys buy fancy cars and some gentlemen by fancy guns.
Tiss a matter of priorities.
Rob
 
The very idea of buying a carriage-trade English double gun like an H&H...and choosing an over/under rather than a SxS...kinda makes my skin crawl. :)
 
I read an article recently that Purdey now make more over unders than side-by-sides, by a fairly large margin. My guess is that Holland and Holland are in a similar position.
I understand that over unders now outnumber side-by-sides at the British driven shoots.
The English makers are simply responding to market demands. Besides, there are tons of used English side-by-sides in the market place.
 
I read an article recently that Purdey now make more over unders than side-by-sides, by a fairly large margin. My guess is that Holland and Holland are in a similar position.
I understand that over unders now outnumber side-by-sides at the British driven shoots.
The English makers are simply responding to market demands. Besides, there are tons of used English side-by-sides in the market place.

I'm sure that's all true; just another sad indicator of the rapid decline of civilization...:)
 
I'm sure there aristo-crusts that don't care about such things but as a practical person if you're going to be buying a double barrel gun that goes rather far into the 6 figure range, it's as well to consider the future value of the thing, if only for the benefit of your heirs. The British have discovered the O/U design and fully taken to it and as has already been stated that has filled the market with SXS guns, in reality over there and very potentially here, should our laws become sensible again.
 
I'm sure there aristo-crusts that don't care about such things but as a practical person if you're going to be buying a double barrel gun that goes rather far into the 6 figure range, it's as well to consider the future value of the thing, if only for the benefit of your heirs. The British have discovered the O/U design and fully taken to it and as has already been stated that has filled the market with SXS guns, in reality over there and very potentially here, should our laws become sensible again.

Discovered the o/u design? The British invented it and have "taken to it" since 1909.

https://bossguns.com/guns-and-rifles/over-and-under/
 
Those cartridge / shell box photos are amazing Mike.
Thanks for sharing!


The H&H website shows ~110 GBP for 250 shells of 12ga.

Do you know if any Canadian retailers sell/import H&H cartridges?
 
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I read an article recently that Purdey now make more over unders than side-by-sides, by a fairly large margin. My guess is that Holland and Holland are in a similar position.
I understand that over unders now outnumber side-by-sides at the British driven shoots.
The English makers are simply responding to market demands. Besides, there are tons of used English side-by-sides in the market place.


I can’t remember the year but once David MacKsy Brown introduced his version of the classic Scottish round action as an OU, they very quickly became over 50% of his annual production. And I don’t think there was a significant price difference between the OU and the SxS. At least not enough to push the OU into the production lead. His customers just preferred the OU.
 
The O/U is now fashionable in Europe, the SxS is not; shooting schools there favour/push the O/U for reasons real and imagined, so demand is high. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I wouldn't say no to a new H&H O/U, or a Boss & Co. for that matter. Make it a pair, please. As to cost, the people that buy these guns are in a different world, and cost is a different calculation for these folks. If you can afford Bentleys and Range Rovers, shooting estates and private jets, then six figures for a 'best' gun is not heart-stopping, it might just take a bite out of your annual bonus, is all.

I used to live in the UK. Don't for a minute think that shooting sports there and here are the same. Or maybe they are, and you're dropping $2,000-3,000 a day when you're going out to shoot, and regularly budget $20,000-30,000 a year for your hobby, not counting firearm purchases? Not being a landowner, I couldn't get a shotgun licence. Through my later work I also used to spend time with the big game hunting community. Yes, an African safari sounds great, but how many (normal) people you know drop $150,000 and more on a 'holiday'? Then do it every year? The luxury market is a whole different world.

In the 1860s, a well-made entry-level gun might cost £10, a quality gun for £25, and a best-quality gun from a top maker, £50-65. That doesn't sound so bad, but an engineer might make £110 a year, an army officer £200 a year. Few could put aside more than £5-10 a year in savings. Fine guns have always been difficult to afford, with the top-quality guns reserved for the very rich—like a bespoke H&H O/U.
 
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