I thought the AK was indestructable??

Did you notice that he had a stoppage shortly before the KB? Yep, the AK is indestructable and never malfunctions!

I wish they had showed us a closeup of the damage!
 
No one with any credibility / expertise ever said that AK was indestructable.

That said, I would guess some ####ty Bulgarian (etc) ammo was to blame there.
 
HKfan,

I could really care less if someone with credibility made such a claim. Anyone with an I.Q. over 12 would realize that any and all mechanical devices can and do fail. I was poking fun at those who insist on regurgitating the age old myth that AK's are "indestructible and never fail". The proverbial "you can throw it in the mud and it will still work" or "you don't need to clean the AK its so reliable". These claims are often thrown around by those who have never handled an AK let alone fired one.

TDC
 
HKfan,

I could really care less if someone with credibility made such a claim. Anyone with an I.Q. over 12 would realize that any and all mechanical devices can and do fail. I was poking fun at those who insist on regurgitating the age old myth that AK's are "indestructible and never fail". The proverbial "you can throw it in the mud and it will still work" or "you don't need to clean the AK its so reliable". These claims are often thrown around by those who have never handled an AK let alone fired one.

TDC

You should have put this in the "Greatest military gun ever" thread.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217374
 
There is no rifle in the world will survive a squib as far as I know. Correct me if I'm wrong.


That was not a squib..........

So I guess you are wrong.

Not to mention you can always survive a squib.

Now surviving after shooting AGAIN after a squib that is a different story. That said I have seen a few guns to that and get back to shooting.
 
Ouch! But in reality the armies that use AK's usually rely on superior numbers to win by attrition rather than highly skilled soldiers of smaller numbers with better equipment. Every peasant with a rifle......
 
Every firearm design will malfunction at one time or another. its completley retarded to claim that a particular gun will never malfunction. Throw mud into the open action of an AK and you'll have a FTF
 
The AK is the weapon of the enemy and the masses. I don't like the enemy's weapon or equip.

Lets not confuse 1980's AKM's that are worn out with brand new production AK 101, 103's take....your pick. A new AK is an outstanding weapon and is very reliable and more accurate than most give it credit for. Although I don't like them and they are not perfect, I'm not going to sit back and state that they are useless or sh..t.

When Israel was trying to find a new weapon to replace the FN FAL (because they were upset that the enemy had AKM's that were thought of by some in the IDF to be better than Israeli issued weapons) they tested every known weapon to destruction. The best performing weapon was the captured enemy's AKM's. They modifed the weapon and attempted to give it better sights and a better barrel. The result was the Galil.

I'm no AK lover but let's be more realistic and tone down the AK bashing.

Rich
 
Rich LPS,

I'm with you on this. I'm not bashing AK's. I'm bashing the super hardcore AK fanboys who won't hear if anything ever failing on an AK. The disillusioned AK kool-aid drinking crowd. They work, and work quite well. If I had my choice I'd take an Israeli Galil in a heartbeat.

TDC
 
I have a new found respect for the ole AK. I was out down town the other day hanging out with some local security boys and some of the rifles they were using were beat to s**t but they still shot and quite well I might add. One of them was dated 1949. I don't know if the rifles we use could have held out that long under the use and abuse the AKs are put through. A solid weapon fur sure, slightly less then indestructible.
 
Read this on THR a while ago, same vid aiui;

an out of battery detonation (or excess headspace detonation) always blows the cover off as the caseing explodes outside of the chamber the pressure from the expanding gas has to go somewhere it always tries to go up first, the smoke and dull exposed boom tells ya the round exploded before being secured inside the chamber its a familiar sight with those of us who'v actually spent much time with F/A weapons, if not properly maintained ya will end up getting an out of battery detonation, the cover is popped free of the groove in the rear sight block 45,000 PSI of pressure will always take off that dust cover....... when the same thing happens in an M-16 the solid receiver top does not allow the pressure to exit up so it goes down blowing the magazine apart instead while the AK usually suffers no structural damage to the gun itself from an out of battery detonation (usually clean out the debris, clean the bolt and reassemble with straightened dust cover) the M 16 usually is taken out of action as the force of the contained explosion trashes the receiver, the dust cover of the AK is usually flipped up at the front releasing it and the shooter gets dinged but very seldom any serious injury as the dust cover acts as a venting cap while being released directing debri and gas upward while sheilding the shooters face from the debris

heres a video of an idiot with an M 16/AR 15 not bothering to actually inspect his weapon either after its trying to warn him of impending doom, just keeps hitting that forward assist and cycling the action, he got real lucky, but I suppose we can just put it off as Cr@ppy American junk aluminum guns right?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=481_1181023978&p=1

the "bad primer" is the bolt not going into battery most commonly from a dirty chamber but is ignored by the inexperienced un trained shooter till it kabooms on him..


Only the extremelly inexperienced could watch the AK Kaboom and come up with comments blaming the gun or its design for a failure thats very clearly operator error, those defending that operator.......... please never serv as a range master as you will very possibly get someone killed due to your inability to properly recognize such a blatant operator error not recognizing that operator error will mean you will not act to immediatly take that shooter off the line preventing injury to himself or others.


Most of these "contractors" jumping on the chance to go to Iraq don't get any actual weapons training at all and generally have very little actual experience outside of basic target plinking, I deal with ALOT of them, they get about as much training as you would if ya take your shiny new AK/AR down to the local shooting hole and just walk up to the first guy ya spot wearin BDU pants and ask em to show ya how to shoot your new gun......... thats it regardless what any of ya wanna fantasize about bein mercenaries in Iraq etc...... they don't know cr@p outside of what most learn while hunting or playing video games.....

...Andy, the "click" was outa battery very common with the AK when the fireing pin is dirty and starts sticking the fireing pin gets stuck forward preventing the bolt from going into battery, (only been building em and repairing em for 23 years) the "kaboom" was the result of an out of battery discharge, again based on over 30 years of dealing with these guns...... no working backwards bud, rather 9 years of service 4 years of that evaluating weapons related accidents, am currently used frequently as a consultant on such matters and get paid to review such videos from range cameras etc.. The "bad ammo" goes out the window (if ya actually know anything about the AK platform) with the fact we can witness the actual kaboom, very nice indeed as when a hot round is discharged in an AK while in full battery nothing really happens other than a big boom and bent up metal seldom the amount of gas exhausted at the chamber seen here, the bolt lugs may or may not be destroyed, the dust cover does not get blown as the blast force travels down the feedramp blowing out the magazine which in this case was uneffected, an out of battery detonation such as demonstrated in the video is very common with SKS or AK as well as many others with free floated firing pins when the firing pin gets stuck forward most commonly a result of neglect and not properly being cleaned, the round is detonated as its stripped from the magazine, which is what happened here, if it had detonated as it was closed into the chamber but lugs not yet locked then the force blows the bolt hard rearward slammin the bolt carrier into the rear trunion un-impeded in most cases releasing the recoil assembly and allowing the rear of the bolt carrier to lift upward and partially out of the receiver however in that case the dustover is released at the rear and has no momentum..........
 
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