All-New: Type 81M
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Thunderhog
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- East Kootneys
I wonder how many of these Type 81 M guns Tactical Imports has sold with close to 400,000 views? LOL!..........
Yes, please put your formula down so it can be understood.
I'm not sure how Ti sets up the shipping but I had a rifle dropped off to my house from CP last Wednesday but I had to sign for it, luckily I was home.
4 moa at 30m does not equal 13 moa at 100m and nowhere did i say it did. You understood that because this is a complex topic. I will explain but don't burn any transistors.
Lets take the two targets only upper left and lower right. The one in the upper left is about 1 moa from point of aim above the bull eye. The one in the lower right is about 3moa below the bulls eye. The two groups are about 4 moa away from one another at 30 m.
If you extrapolate that at 100m that means they will be 2.3 times further from one another. =9.3 moa because there are still 70m. and i admit here i made a mistake in calculating i used 3.3
Which means they wont even probably be on paper. lol
MosinMan13
CGN Regular
- Location
- Thornbury Ontario
I’ve re-read this a half dozen times and gone back to the photo a couple times, I’m convinced you don’t understand what MOA is or at very least in the context of that target. The bullseye has nothing to do with anything we saw in that photo but explain the reference for the shooters point of aim and point of impact, there isn’t a single grouping there over 2”, at 30M even that’s only about 6.25MOA roughly.
apexanimal
CGN Regular
- Location
- Vancouver Island
And this genius theory of yours assumes every group i shot i was aiming at the bulls eyes...i already stated this wasn't the case. Some groups i was using the bull as a POA, but not every group. EVERY group i shot with the 81m was approx 3 inches under the point of aim. Every one. How many times do i need to say this, you are grasping at straws wishing the rifle had something wrong with it. It doesnt. I spent the day at the range enjoying a new rifle, you spent the day not being able to understand simple pictures or math. Congrats.
I figured some actual data would be a welcomed change of pace from the standard made up BS from non owners that is 99% of this thread. Got the 81M out to the range today, very pleased with the results. Groups with a red circle around them are from a type 81 SE folder, groups with yellow are from the Type 81M. Groups were shot at 30 M, using Chinese surplus ammo (corrosive). Overall I'd say they were about the same all things considered. My type 81 SE has a thinner front sight post (aftermarket) so it had a slight edge in that regard, but the 81Ms longer sight radius compensated for this nicely. I think the M with a thinner front sight post would have been able to squeeze a bit more out of it. I think these are solid 3-4 MOA guns, perfectly reasonable accuracy for what they are, and better than what most people can shoot. 100% reliable that part basically goes without saying. Great purchase, my ideal changes would be a pencil barrel (may as well, not like a heavier barrel makes these more accurate) thinner front sight from factory, SA or SE style handguard (still not a huge fan of this flat bottom one) and the old style folder (one of the best folding stock designs ever made including by first world countries).
TL DR: 3-4 MOA gun, 100% reliable, Spend more time shooting guns than measuring them.
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Pretty rough for a new guy, do you know Dustin?
I like the older style in the folder... also the 'surplus' style wood seems more authentic to me. Cool rifle!
Welcome, tell us a bit about yourself, where abouts are you, what do you shoot
Personally I’ve never been a fan of the “ribbed for her pleasure” look of the OG T-81’s barrel. I think that’s what kept me from getting one until now.
1 moa at 100m is about 2.8cm or 1.1"
1 moa at 30m is about .83cm or .33"
A group of 1 1/2" at 30m is about 5", extrapolated to 100m
A 1 1/2" group at 30m is about 4 1/2moa; a 5" group at 100m is also about 4 1/2moa.
The zeroing targets shown are scaled for 100y. The grid lines on the target are probably about 1" apart, representing minutes of angle at 100y..
1 moa at 30m is about .83cm or .33"
A group of 1 1/2" at 30m is about 5", extrapolated to 100m
A 1 1/2" group at 30m is about 4 1/2moa; a 5" group at 100m is also about 4 1/2moa.
The zeroing targets shown are scaled for 100y. The grid lines on the target are probably about 1" apart, representing minutes of angle at 100y..
I figured some actual data would be a welcomed change of pace from the standard made up BS from non owners that is 99% of this thread. Got the 81M out to the range today, very pleased with the results. Groups with a red circle around them are from a type 81 SE folder, groups with yellow are from the Type 81M. Groups were shot at 30 M, using Chinese surplus ammo (corrosive). Overall I'd say they were about the same all things considered. My type 81 SE has a thinner front sight post (aftermarket) so it had a slight edge in that regard, but the 81Ms longer sight radius compensated for this nicely. I think the M with a thinner front sight post would have been able to squeeze a bit more out of it. I think these are solid 3-4 MOA guns, perfectly reasonable accuracy for what they are, and better than what most people can shoot. 100% reliable that part basically goes without saying. Great purchase, my ideal changes would be a pencil barrel (may as well, not like a heavier barrel makes these more accurate) thinner front sight from factory, SA or SE style handguard (still not a huge fan of this flat bottom one) and the old style folder (one of the best folding stock designs ever made including by first world countries).
TL DR: 3-4 MOA gun, 100% reliable, Spend more time shooting guns than measuring them.
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Users note: the underfolder button and mount is blister city for right handed grip, wear gloves for sure for that one just wanted to share I was messing around with it today and I could feel it pretty quickly.
Otherwise it moves pretty good, I like the balance feels like I’m driving something with a little more presence than the lighter SA version I have. Feels solid to swing around if you get my drift.
Otherwise it moves pretty good, I like the balance feels like I’m driving something with a little more presence than the lighter SA version I have. Feels solid to swing around if you get my drift.
exactly and as well and by what this guy is saying only the target on the right at 30 meters if aiming at the bulls eye the hits should have been above the bulls eye because i assume your setting is at 100m which would have put the bullets above the bulls eye because there is a bit of a bullet drop out to 100m. the target on the left you can say the hits in red are correct. something is funny here.
