Is a 12 in. barrel 45-70 any good

[Butcherbill]

One of the fellows had his 45/70 revolver at the indoor range this spring, not real load like a 44 or 357M he said it is easier then his rifle.
I don't know what his loads where. I would say it was about 7 1/2- 8 in barrel, good cloud of smoke. He was shooting off hand.

That sounds fun, I wish I had bought a big f@ck off revolver before the freeze dropped. Last spring I got to shoot some 44mag, 50AE, .460 S&W magnum and it was a lot of fun. I like the boomers lol.

 

[DNR]

Okay here is the application which I hesitate to say but what the heck. An acquaintance of mine who grew up in a northern ontario community claims that while out hunting, to have had multiple encounters of...mythological creatures. Two of the encounters, which were from a distance, seemed to have a very aggressive nature. He is hoping to return and capture some footage and make a documentary which I would help film. The firearm is strictly for defense against said creatures and bears. This is absolutely not a hunt. My buddy will have his 30-06, but I think for myself I'd feel more comfortable with something better for close encounters in the bush. Currently I only have a 12 ga single shot which surely isn't adequate. I'm certainly open to other suggestions. Wild stuff I know, lol

 

[MRP]

12" is the minimum length for hunting in BC.

 

[marshall]

That sounds fun, I wish I had bought a big f@ck off revolver before the freeze dropped. Last spring I got to shoot some 44mag, 50AE, .460 S&W magnum and it was a lot of fun. I like the boomers lol.

I have shot 45 lc in bond arms derringers, and 410 3" , but these days my hands have got poor , but that big old single action would be OK to hang onto, if not loaded to the nuts. 5 shot. Would be similar to 454 C I suppose.
the problem with the small derringers is not much to hang onto, and slippery grips. But fun gun, triggers are terrible on them.

The one gun I remember that beat me was a silly little Ithaca 20ga O/U for some reason. Shot many handguns and liked them all
One I haven't shot is the 500 s-w.
Grips can make a huge difference on how a handgun feels

 

[fritzhanzel]

It depends what the gun is for. For dangerous animals the 12 gauge cannot compete with the 45-70

Not exactly correct. Takes more space and longer to reload another round with the lever action. In general it really depends on your bullet and charge. Some people say a lead bullet will go flat like a pancake on the skull of a brown bear out of a 12 gauge but that's also true for the 45-70.

 

[Scotty454]

Okay here is the application which I hesitate to say but what the heck. An acquaintance of mine who grew up in a northern ontario community claims that while out hunting, to have had multiple encounters of...mythological creatures. Two of the encounters, which were from a distance, seemed to have a very aggressive nature. He is hoping to return and capture some footage and make a documentary which I would help film. The firearm is strictly for defense against said creatures and bears. This is absolutely not a hunt. My buddy will have his 30-06, but I think for myself I'd feel more comfortable with something better for close encounters in the bush. I'm certainly open to other suggestions. Wild stuff I know, lol

Lol first Sasquatch defense thread AFAIK.

Don't think you'd want to head out with anything smaller than a 700 Nitro for them sumb1tches.

 

[emerson]

Okay here is the application which I hesitate to say but what the heck. An acquaintance of mine who grew up in a northern ontario community claims that while out hunting, to have had multiple encounters of...mythological creatures. Two of the encounters, which were from a distance, seemed to have a very aggressive nature. He is hoping to return and capture some footage and make a documentary which I would help film. The firearm is strictly for defense against said creatures and bears. This is absolutely not a hunt. My buddy will have his 30-06, but I think for myself I'd feel more comfortable with something better for close encounters in the bush. I'm certainly open to other suggestions. Wild stuff I know, lol

It sounds like a 12” 45-70 is the only sensible choice. Not a frivolous expense at all. He should buy one right away.

 

[Butcherbill]

The one gun I remember that beat me was a silly little Ithaca 20ga O/U for some reason. Shot many handguns and liked them all
One I haven't shot is the 500 s-w.
Grips can make a huge difference on how a handgun feels

Grips do make a big difference, the .460 I shot had good rubber grips and a compensator and it sure made full power .460 loads seem manageable.

I was tying to find 12g sabots that would shoot accurately in a rifled barrel and the box of 3” magnum Winchester’s were brutal. I was sore for a week or maybe more lol.

 

[jethunter]

Okay here is the application which I hesitate to say but what the heck. An acquaintance of mine who grew up in a northern ontario community claims that while out hunting, to have had multiple encounters of...mythological creatures. Two of the encounters, which were from a distance, seemed to have a very aggressive nature. He is hoping to return and capture some footage and make a documentary which I would help film. The firearm is strictly for defense against said creatures and bears. This is absolutely not a hunt. My buddy will have his 30-06, but I think for myself I'd feel more comfortable with something better for close encounters in the bush. Currently I only have a 12 ga single shot which surely isn't adequate. I'm certainly open to other suggestions. Wild stuff I know, lol

Aliens?

 

[marshall]

I don't think these and zombies would be covered under the hunting regulations, so I would not worry about 12" standard that much.
When you are the main course at dinner, the government can stick the rule book.
maybe get the thread on 50BMG hand cannon going again. I know where I would stand on that, about 12ft back.

My animal of worry around here is the gophers thinking my new garden shed would make a great condo.

 

[jethunter]

I have a 12" chiappa 45-70. As has been mentioned above, the 45-70 doesn't loose velocity in shorter barrels nearly as bad as some higher pressure cartridges. The Chiappa is quite heavy, so recoil isn't terrible. I have a green dot on mine, so the short sight radius is negated.

It's an awesome gun just for the sheer ####s and giggles of the fireball..

That is the true value of a 12" 45-70 - because we can, and it's fun.

Life is easier if we don't need to have an excuse for every new toy or adventure. "Because it is fun" is all the reason we need. Make up whatever story you need if you have to convince the wife, but don't kid ourselves.

 

[Evanguy]

I saw Chiappa makes a 12" barrel takedown 45-70. Would this be useless? What would the effective range be with this barrel length this short? Any thoughts? Thanks.

well it would be better then a 44 mag 6" revolver for power and accuracy, lots of guys hunt with the 44mag pistols in the states

 

[Great North Guns]

Okay here is the application which I hesitate to say but what the heck. An acquaintance of mine who grew up in a northern ontario community claims that while out hunting, to have had multiple encounters of...mythological creatures. Two of the encounters, which were from a distance, seemed to have a very aggressive nature. He is hoping to return and capture some footage and make a documentary which I would help film. The firearm is strictly for defense against said creatures and bears. This is absolutely not a hunt. My buddy will have his 30-06, but I think for myself I'd feel more comfortable with something better for close encounters in the bush. Currently I only have a 12 ga single shot which surely isn't adequate. I'm certainly open to other suggestions. Wild stuff I know, lol

Are those creatures made of flesh and bone? If so, any dangerous game rifle will work against them. If not, it’s possible than only manual action black powder guns may harm them. Don’t ask me how it works.

 

[Butcherbill]

12" is the minimum length for hunting in BC.

Chupacabra aren’t listed in the synopsis, so it shouldn’t be considered hunting.

 

[bross]

"45-70 has a very limited range already, due to heavy bullets and slow velocities."

That is probably why the model 1884 Buffington sight on the Springfield rifle goes up to 2000 yards; with point blank at 275yd.
The three ball sentry load might do for self defense: 3 x 144gr @ 1050fps - into an 8" circle at 50yd

 

[Painkillers]

I saw Chiappa makes a 12" barrel takedown 45-70. Would this be useless? What would the effective range be with this barrel length this short? Any thoughts? Thanks.

I would think it loses about 1/2 its velocity.

 

[DNR]

Are those creatures made of flesh and bone? If so, any dangerous game rifle will work against them. If not, it’s possible than only manual action black powder guns may harm them. Don’t ask me how it works.

That's the big question. It certainly seems they have corporeal form, throwing rocks, damaging equipment etc, but lot of people claim they have witnessed some sort of interdimensionality aspect to them as well.

 

[jethunter]

That's the big question. It certainly seems they have corporeal form, throwing rocks, damaging equipment etc, but lot of people claim they have witnessed some sort of interdimensionality aspect to them as well.

A lot of people voted liberal too, and interdimensionality has nothing to do with it. Fantasy swilling delusional morons are real even if the squatch isn't.

 

[ipscgraz]

Just an anecdote on 12 G vs 4570:


Years and years ago I was doing helicopter maintenance on aircraft hired to the government. At the start of every year we had 5 or 6 helicopters doing ice depth surveys, with the location changing every year. Pretty harsh duty keeping a helicopter flying for 200 + hours seven days a week with the aircraft parked outside on the ice and all maintenance was done out in the open. You would be surprised how much a little bit of wind made such a difference.


Anyway, because of the remote location and harsh conditions, every helicopter had a survival kit including a tent and heater (some got used a few times) and there was also either a shotgun with slugs or a 30.06 in each aircraft.


There was also a firearm in each tent. A friend of mine and I hopped on a skidoo and roared around just sightseeing, while the aircraft were out. He had a government 12 gauge and I had my 45/70 with stout (but not ridiculous) handloads.

We found a pressure ridge and figured it was time for a bit of fun. Buddy fired a 12 gauge slug into this piece of ice the size of a car and made a hole big enough to put your fist in. Not to be outdone, I lit off a 400 grain SP at the same piece of ice and it made a hole about 5 times bigger…you could fit your head partway into it.

 

[keith mokry]

My theory for takedown rifles is the length of stock and action is what the barrel length should be. This is usually about 19/20 inches so 16-20” brl then. I have a 44m that has 12” brl, action and stock that breaks down into three pieces. It s a ranch hand and I added a piece to its stock that is removable.