Blackbear defense pistols?

The most import consideration is marksmanship under stress. A good way to put your body into stress is a hard run, but it does not create mental stress, so perhaps if you can arrange a hard run followed by the stress of lots of critical observers who are betting on 6 misses.

A body shot with a handgun will not stop him, in fact if he is commited to the attack it might not turn him! A bear's brain is much narrower than his entire head - only about the width of his snout, and extends from a line just behind his eyes to just forward of his ears if he is coming head on. The head comes first - shoot it, but hit the brain!

Bullet choice is far more important than caliber, although the bigger the caliber the bigger the wound volume. Pick the heaviest bullet for caliber that your gun will drive at 1200 fps. Gas checked hard cast bullets are every bit as good as jacketed, and in the case of wide flat nosed profiles they are better. This combination of velocity and a heavy for caliber WFN hard cast bullet will ensure sufficient penetration, a large wound cavity, and should be controllable.

Choosing the super powerful revolvers like a .475 Linebaugh or high velocity loads is a mistake for anyone who is not a hardened big bore revolver shooter, and even then, a fast backup shot might not be possible due to the level of recoil. The .357 that you can handle trumps the big bore you cannot.

I like the grip size of a single action, and the way it handles recoil, others do not and put value in the speed at which a DA can be reloaded. I think a SA is stronger because there is no crane to knock out of alignment. Similarly nonadjustable sights that are regulated to your load are stronger than adjustable sights.

I have no issue with the choice of a pistol over a revolver, in fact the pistol in some cases can be more reliable, particularly in very dusty conditions such as where drilling is being done. It seems however, that in their wisdom, some CFO's have determined that pistols are not suitable for wilderness carry and have stopped adding them to ATC's.

Realistic training can be problematical, but if you can shoot where a vehicle can be driven onto the range, try shooting a 5 gallon plastic oil pail as it's pulled towards you under power.

Consider how you are going to carry the gun. Most ATC's dictate that the gun must not be concealed and that there is a retention device to keep the gun in the holster. A book could be written on this subject, but don't cheap out on the holster and the belt must be a thick wide heavy gun belt. Mine are leather but there is nothing wrong with synthetic. The holster must hold the gun securely, but the retention system must be simple, like a thumb snap, and the holster should not follow the gun as you draw it.
 
Bullet choice is far more important than caliber, although the bigger the caliber the bigger the wound volume. Pick the heaviest bullet for caliber that your gun will drive at 1200 fps. Gas checked hard cast bullets are every bit as good as jacketed, and in the case of wide flat nosed profiles they are better. This combination of velocity and a heavy for caliber WFN hard cast bullet will ensure sufficient penetration, a large wound cavity, and should be controllable.

Choosing the super powerful revolvers like a .475 Linebaugh or high velocity loads is a mistake for anyone who is not a hardened big bore revolver shooter, and even then, a fast backup shot might not be possible due to the level of recoil. The .357 that you can handle trumps the big bore you cannot.

For the small black bears we get, a good 158 or 180 grain (preferred) bullet in .357 would be acceptable to me. A 686 can be had with 7 rounds, and I shoot it well.

A .44 would be even better if you can shoot it, if your bears are bigger.

You likely won't have time for more than 3 shots anyway.

I prefer pistols, but would go DA revolver for this purpose.

Shotguns rule for this work, if you don't mind the carry.

Edit: Just wanted to add I've never shot anything bigger than a .44, but with good/hot ammo, I don't see the benefit of going bigger.

The minuses of the .454, .460 and .500 offset the advantage over a good
.44 IMHO. If you need more than .44, go 12 gauge.
 
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I have a atc for big game guiding I carry a 44mag in a ruger blackhawk I have never had it fail and can place my shots used to cary hard cast 240 semiwadcutters loaded hot I now have some 300 hard cast that are loaded hot but they have a 2 hand kick for good control I can shoot them with 1 in a pinch but it is not fun they are grizzly loads for a black I would go with the 240 gr and if the bear is charging with its head low take a shot to the spine easier to hit than the brain and just as effective if not more so. Take out bone and you have time for a follow up shot. I have had to take down a black with it and would not hesitate to do so again. Fortunaitly I have not had to shoot a grizz (to much paper work ) But have had a few close encounters where I put rounds at their feet to back them off. I only use it 3 months of the year and have no problem getting the permit. go with the largest hand gun that you can shoot min 357 mag for black 41 mag is good as well I prefer a single action lighter trigger and for me my follow up shot is just as fast (as you bring the gun back in line after the recoil your thumb has allready got it cocked and locked )
 
First off, I definitely intend to opt for wadcutters or semi-wadcutters when carrying.
And also, there are no grizzlies here, so you don't need to factor them into your suggestions.

I guesss I am torn on the issue. I am going to apply for my ATC but only after exhausting my attempts to carry a shotgun....

Ideally, I'd use a shotgun too, but shotguns are too bulky and heavy for me, even the short ones. I've heard stories from other guys staking and prospecting of almost stepping on sleeping bears, or otherwise coming way too close to have the time to screw around getting the shotgun off their back and ready to go. Plus, I'm usually walking several kilometers a day, so just leaving it around is of no use. Plus it's just one more weight to haul.

Lots of good stuff.

I prefer a pistol because I'm not a hardened big bore revolver, and hardly an experienced handgun user at all. I intend to practice a lot with whatever I end up getting, but like you said, it has to be manageable when I'm suddenly staring at a bear. I'm looking for something that I can get several shots off with real damn quick, because if I encounter a bear at the range where I'd be using this thing, I'll probably not become the best marksman.

Realistic training can be problematical, but if you can shoot where a vehicle can be driven onto the range, try shooting a 5 gallon plastic oil pail as it's pulled towards you under power.

80 acres right here, range is no problem. I'll connect it to the winch of the bike and have someone take off behind me, and see how that works.
 
consider a single action ruger in stainless,.....with the right loads you would be well protected. sure the double action might be faster to cycle but shooting too fast at a charging bear is a hit & miss proposition. probably more missed shots than lethal hits. to my way of thinking you better make those hits count, no matter which type of gun you use.....:shotgun:

if I could carry a handgun for bear this would be my choice,.... a Ruger SBH .44 magnum, 4-5/8" barrel which is easy to carry & a little more weather resistant & a heck of a rugged revolver.....:wave:
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A real gorgeous .44 ! :cheers:
 
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