Civilian version C7 or C8

[CZ85Combat]

Don't Bother Picking Up Bad Habits On A Civilian Range Shootin An Ar. The Military Will Train You Throughly. I Hate Smart Ass Recruits That Think They Know Weapons Before They Touch 'em. You'll Be Going Through The Numbers With All The Other Legs... Unless Your Coming For The Free 30 Rd Mags.

:stfun00
Give the guy a chance
No the military won't give everything he needs, especially on a recruit course, and in the reserve! He'll get only the basic
He want to actually touch one, He is not the one being a Smart Ass here...
Military training manuals are available online. heck, even the ppt presentations are !
If a recruit want to join and be better prepared, let then do it, especially if they have the right attitude, if not, a good instructor will take care of it

my 2 cents...

 

[hugehodge83]

I'm not trying to bust your balls. I figured it was a simple mistake.

TDC

Its been a while since i was on basic

And maybe pick up some drill manuals while hes at it if he really wants to be prepared

 

[Greaves024]

Thanks for all the advice guys.

I'm thinking of joining

The Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada
In Cambridge Ontario.

or the 31 Combat Engineer Regiment
In waterloo Ontario

The picture of the C7's was ripped from Colt Canada's website.

 

[Undergiver]

All plastic mags were supposed to be returned to supply and destroyed years ago. If you were using plastic mags then they were for training only or your QM was too lazy to turn them in and get proper metal mags.

 

[c_canuk]

To any contemplating learning the AR15 before entering the military... a word of caution

civilian drills are completely different and in my mind in some cases completely unsafe.

this is not a fault of the civilians but merely a difference in how the rifles are employed.

ie according to the CFSC handbook on cease fire you should

1. put the weapon on safe
2. unload the weapon
3. place the weapon down

if you do #2 on the range on the order cease fire your staff will not be impressed due to the fact that some of the weapons we use are open bolt style meaning that if there was a round in the chamber that the extractor did not eject, half cocking and your hand slipping due to sweat, numbness, mud rain, etc there is the potential for it to fire.

my point is, you will learn different habits that what the military will teach you. It is easier to learn the ones the military wants you to learn while under pressure and lean the civy ones later at your leasure, than to learn the civy ones at your leasure, then unlearn and relearn while under pressure.

When you are being taught weapons, you will be taught as a class, meaning you will be going at the speed of the slowest and least experianced member.

Also weapons classes are run like simons says

the instructor will first explain the step, demonstrate the step, then get you to do the step

ie

"the first step in removing the bolt carrier is to push the take down pin to the left, like this"

demonstrates

"do this now"

if you touch your weapon before "do this now" you'll be in the stinky brown stuff. Thinking you already know the material will make you impatient and less likely to concentrate on what your instructor is teaching you.

 

[easy]

Very nicely said Sir ... and welcome to CGN.

To any contemplating learning the AR15 before entering the military... a word of caution

civilian drills are completely different and in my mind in some cases completely unsafe.

this is not a fault of the civilians but merely a difference in how the rifles are employed.

ie according to the CFSC handbook on cease fire you should

1. put the weapon on safe
2. unload the weapon
3. place the weapon down

if you do #2 on the range on the order cease fire your staff will not be impressed due to the fact that some of the weapons we use are open bolt style meaning that if there was a round in the chamber that the extractor did not eject, half cocking and your hand slipping due to sweat, numbness, mud rain, etc there is the potential for it to fire.

my point is, you will learn different habits that what the military will teach you. It is easier to learn the ones the military wants you to learn while under pressure and lean the civy ones later at your leasure, than to learn the civy ones at your leasure, then unlearn and relearn while under pressure.

When you are being taught weapons, you will be taught as a class, meaning you will be going at the speed of the slowest and least experianced member.

Also weapons classes are run like simons says

the instructor will first explain the step, demonstrate the step, then get you to do the step

ie

"the first step in removing the bolt carrier is to push the take down pin to the left, like this"

demonstrates

"do this now"

if you touch your weapon before "do this now" you'll be in the stinky brown stuff. Thinking you already know the material will make you impatient and less likely to concentrate on what your instructor is teaching you.

 

[TDC]

c_canuck,

Do you really believe that shooters follow the "rules" laid out by non shooters working for the government?? Perhaps new shooters, or those plinking for sport follow such insane rules. For those who compete in any action sport or those who've attended some professional training. Those rules are a barrel of laughs.

The information provided during a CFSC/CRFSC course is not "taught" it is covered and that's about it. Unlike the military there is no live fire required for Joe Canuck prior to getting licensed. Any skills/drills A.K.A. Tactics Training and Procedures(TTP) absorbed by a civilian will be through the instruction of either A. professional training school, B. other friends who shoot, or C. some mysterious form of their own design.

Unfortunately for the civilian the use of E.D.I. type teaching (Educate, Demonstrate, Imitate) is something that most instructors know little or nothing about. Seeing as how this method is by far the most successful method for teaching new skills its no wonder the military adopted it.

TDC