only gripe here in aus, is 130 grain minimum for our big deer 'legally'
ironicyally they are tryin to go lead free 2027.... so fk em, id run a 120 but for x50 its about $110
experiencing slow kills with heavy 7mm08
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ironicyally they are tryin to go lead free 2027.... so fk em, id run a 120 but for x50 its about $110
Really? lol. Joel, you can launch monos out of a 7-08 over 3000 fps
Should I pretend I didn't know that so you feel special, Pathy? Maybe pretend I've never actually done it myself lol
How they doing at 400 meters?
Would you agree that maybe he has a 24" barrel capable of the 3150-3190 FPS that Barnes got, and access to those powders...And maybe he does not?
Would you agree that "monos at 2,000 fps are below or just barely reaching a threshold that many people want them to be at?" Since lots of people like 2,200 fps as their minimum?
I don't see how you can't.
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I bet you have, but "monos well past 400 yards" is not the point, is it?
With 7mm monos at below 2,200 fps or more realistically since Whelan has a 22 inch barrel, at barely 2,000 fps?
That sounds to me like pushing it.
Aside from how that completely didn't answer the question hahaha
Yeah cause they shot it into a water tank and it barely opened up.
Sounds like a great idea to shoot at game with, especially for a guy who spergs when I mention ballistics gel lol.
Dunno if you're gonna find many takers on that one but have at 'er! Its so cute the way you chase clout with me though haha
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I'm hahahaha-ing at you because you're dancing around very specific questions.
Have you killed with the 7mm, 120gr TTSX at 1800 fps?
This would be the equivalent of a 550-575 yard impact with OP's 7mm-08 rifle. Your whole "I've done it and you haven't" logic (being generous calling it logic) completely falls apart when you consider one very simple point.
Other people, with way more experience than me, also wouldn't do it
You're that easy to beat here. If you remember the PM exchange we had where I told you to stop cluttering up threads with your ambition to one-up me because I don't really care what you think about anything....that's why lol
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We have both shot enough game at longer range with Barnes bullets to not be afraid to do that if we need to.
Yes, that WAS the question. Because believe it or not, different bullets perform differently. I know, pretty crazy huh?
So yes, the results may well have been different with a 7mm-08 at 1,800 fps.
Know what would be fun? Start a thread where you know there's people who have as much experience as you want and ask "Hey, is shooting at big game with a 120gr TTSX at 1800 fps a good idea?"
I wanna hear what they say! How many experienced hunters (with FAR more experience than yours truly ) would advocate doing this? Or using the 270 bullets at the speeds you did.
Interestingly enough, with how much those bullets expand (or don't) at 1800 fps, a 70gr 223 cal TSX at 100 yards is probably very comparable and people would also absolutley have a cow over that haha
So yes, the results may well have been different with a 7mm-08 at 1,800 fps.
Know what would be fun? Start a thread where you know there's people who have as much experience as you want and ask "Hey, is shooting at big game with a 120gr TTSX at 1800 fps a good idea?"
I wanna hear what they say! How many experienced hunters (with FAR more experience than yours truly
) would advocate doing this? Or using the 270 bullets at the speeds you did. Interestingly enough, with how much those bullets expand (or don't) at 1800 fps, a 70gr 223 cal TSX at 100 yards is probably very comparable and people would also absolutley have a cow over that haha
Yeah, you moved them.
I outlined that the idea of a 120gr TTSX at 2,000 fps or so is pushing it pretty hard and considered not enough speed by many. And I stand by that 10000%. No need to move a goalpost for me at all.
Then YOU started saying "I've killed with Barnes bullets at 1,800 fps".
Course you never did it with the 120gr TTSX in 7mm, so by your own "logic" you shouldn't be talking about it, right?
Thank you! It was an opinion that happens to be shared by many, including those possesed of much experience
Simply starting a thread called "Is shooting big game with the 7mm-08 and 120gr TTSX at 400 meters pushing it?" anywhere with experienced hunters will prove such.
Simply starting a thread called "Is shooting big game with the 7mm-08 and 120gr TTSX at 400 meters pushing it?" anywhere with experienced hunters will prove such.
semantics but, from recollection on your bull pathfinder I thought it was around 2000 fps impact when I ran the math, and you took out just above the heart, which as Dogleg pointed out in the 44 mag thread that Jack O'Conner taught him is much better than putting it through the center of the heart(for drt flattening them)....so you made an unreal shot with that .270 at 560 and a big bull, without that perfect shot placement what does that basically 'solid' do?
400 should work no prob Joel, or wherever 2000 fps lands for the 7-08 mono as the ~rule, everyone can look up the ttsx gel stuff and it's not opening much down there and I know you have, I'm guessing you can load a 120 pretty quick as I know of a guy who killed a tank of a bull, well I was there and going after the same bull and ended up knowing the guy who got there first...it was a 308 with 130 ttsx launched around 3100 fps from recollection and it was 400 yards and it flattened that giant bull and down the mountain it went throwing snow way above the trees as it went....the 7-08 120 should do the same thing
400 should work no prob Joel, or wherever 2000 fps lands for the 7-08 mono as the ~rule, everyone can look up the ttsx gel stuff and it's not opening much down there and I know you have, I'm guessing you can load a 120 pretty quick as I know of a guy who killed a tank of a bull, well I was there and going after the same bull and ended up knowing the guy who got there first...it was a 308 with 130 ttsx launched around 3100 fps from recollection and it was 400 yards and it flattened that giant bull and down the mountain it went throwing snow way above the trees as it went....the 7-08 120 should do the same thing
530 yard stag, 178 eld-x 308 factory ammo, 1820 fps impact <<click here
For the OP
eld-x/eld-m very similar performance, mostly marketing difference, bit more jacket near base of eld-x, irrelevant to on game performance imo
just a decent example of what to expect from a squishier bullet with more than enough starting sd, and a 7-08 has plenty of sd for OP goals in all the options he's looking at, thought this video was a good 308 based example of what the outer limits look like with the squishier bullet options
For the OP
eld-x/eld-m very similar performance, mostly marketing difference, bit more jacket near base of eld-x, irrelevant to on game performance imo
just a decent example of what to expect from a squishier bullet with more than enough starting sd, and a 7-08 has plenty of sd for OP goals in all the options he's looking at, thought this video was a good 308 based example of what the outer limits look like with the squishier bullet options
