Metal 9mm with least muzzle jump
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1911 in 9mm.
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Oh man, the Sig P226 stainless is so friggin' heavy that there should be no issue with muzzle jump. Only issue is holding it steady if you don't have those forearm muscles built up, due to the weight.
34.4-42-2 ounces "friggin" heavy???
That's about the same as a 1911 or a smaller .357 roundie.#1
Nicorette: Want a cheap, low maintenance, decently accurate, all metal 9mm? Ever consider a 9mm Tokarev?
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- Southeastern Michigan
Is It Just Me?
Is it just me or is recoil a non issue with the 9mm? Regards, Richard
Is it just me or is recoil a non issue with the 9mm? Regards, Richard
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- Port Perry/Toronto
This isn't recoil, it's muzzle flip. The lower the muzzle flip, the faster you can re-align sights for the next shot. Aas far as I understand it is kind of a mix of bore axis, grip angle and weight.
And technique of course.
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- Blue-GTA, ON
Between my G17 and P226 I would say the P226 has less muzzle flip (and more weight).
I vote for the Sig 229. Not as heavy as a 226 but Stainless slide and great grip keeps it very steady. I have a 226 ST and it is heavy but very easy to control and very accurate. They claim that they are no longer availiable in the US (except as Elite model) so they will be becoming rarer.
One of the reasons why I traded my P226ST was because of the low recoil, if I wanted no recoil I'd still be shooting airguns.
About the Steyr; I used to have one as well, due to the very low bore axis the muzzle jump was minimal, but it recoiled straight back kinda sharp which I didn't like. btw the frame was polymer but it had a metal sub frame (linda like P250) that you can lift out of th frame in couple seconds. It's also as easy to field strip as 92FS - same system!
About the Steyr; I used to have one as well, due to the very low bore axis the muzzle jump was minimal, but it recoiled straight back kinda sharp which I didn't like. btw the frame was polymer but it had a metal sub frame (linda like P250) that you can lift out of th frame in couple seconds. It's also as easy to field strip as 92FS - same system!
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- Southeastern Michigan
Isn't recoil what produces muzzle flip (rise)? Regards, Richard
- Location
- Southern Ontario
Are we talking ported or compensated barrels or what? I have a G26 with ported barrel and it has zero flip.
If we are talking unported, my vote goes for the HK P7M8. The barrel is fixed inline and the recoil is gas discharge and inline as well. The gun is all metal; no plastic. The weight (it is not that heavy as it is well designed and very thin) also helps reduce muzzle flip. I have shot almost one of everything currently available (or at least over the past couple of years) and the P7M8 is my baby as far as accuracy and flippiness is concerned. I can draw and get off 2+1 shots in a flash as the recoil seems to be more inline and a straight push back into my arm than a 'flip'.
Having said that, I also have a Kimber 9mm Target II in Stainless Steel that seems to do the same thing, but I am sure that it is a byproduct of the weight of the thing. More weight, less flip.
One needs to qualify what kind of 9mm they are referring to when talking about muzzle flip I think. We have ported/compensated barrels reducing flip. We have sheer weight reducing flip and we have quality of design reducing flip.
My P7M8's reduce flip through relative weight distribution and design. They are a treat to carry (stateside) and they are a treat to shoot. Best of all, if I should ever find myself in a position where I am forced to use the gun in self defense, I know it is up to the task in all respects.
I used to be a .45ACP guy. If it wasn't a .45 it wasn't worth the effort to carry. But with today's engineered loads in 9mm. and .357, I have to say that my views have changed significantly. Just don't drive through New Jersey with an "engineered load" as you will find yourself at the wrong end of a felony conviction, no questions asked, do not pass go. That is, of course, assuming that you carry a firearm when in the states.
As one who has endured two home invasions (one successful) and had a gun stuck in his nose in Orlando FLA, I do not travel anywhere that I can legally carry concealed without a means of self protection. And I have committed to travelling at least once a year to one of the self defense schools like Gunsight in order to 're-qualify' myself.
If we are talking unported, my vote goes for the HK P7M8. The barrel is fixed inline and the recoil is gas discharge and inline as well. The gun is all metal; no plastic. The weight (it is not that heavy as it is well designed and very thin) also helps reduce muzzle flip. I have shot almost one of everything currently available (or at least over the past couple of years) and the P7M8 is my baby as far as accuracy and flippiness is concerned. I can draw and get off 2+1 shots in a flash as the recoil seems to be more inline and a straight push back into my arm than a 'flip'.
Having said that, I also have a Kimber 9mm Target II in Stainless Steel that seems to do the same thing, but I am sure that it is a byproduct of the weight of the thing. More weight, less flip.
One needs to qualify what kind of 9mm they are referring to when talking about muzzle flip I think. We have ported/compensated barrels reducing flip. We have sheer weight reducing flip and we have quality of design reducing flip.
My P7M8's reduce flip through relative weight distribution and design. They are a treat to carry (stateside) and they are a treat to shoot. Best of all, if I should ever find myself in a position where I am forced to use the gun in self defense, I know it is up to the task in all respects.
I used to be a .45ACP guy. If it wasn't a .45 it wasn't worth the effort to carry. But with today's engineered loads in 9mm. and .357, I have to say that my views have changed significantly. Just don't drive through New Jersey with an "engineered load" as you will find yourself at the wrong end of a felony conviction, no questions asked, do not pass go. That is, of course, assuming that you carry a firearm when in the states.
As one who has endured two home invasions (one successful) and had a gun stuck in his nose in Orlando FLA, I do not travel anywhere that I can legally carry concealed without a means of self protection. And I have committed to travelling at least once a year to one of the self defense schools like Gunsight in order to 're-qualify' myself.
Isn't recoil what produces muzzle flip (rise)? Regards, Richard
It does, but all recoil does not equally produce muzzle flip.
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- South Ontario
I shot a CZ-75 SP01 the other day. It definitely was designed front-heavy (with the front rail and all). For a conventional 9mm with reduced muzzle flip, I recommend trying out a CZ-75 SP01 and seeing if it fits your needs.
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- Manitoulin Island
It is my impression that my Grand Power K100 has less muzzle flip than my CZ75. I saY impression, because since I traded in the CZ, I couldn't try alternate shots the same day.
