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Who is hunting with cutting edge or hammer bullets or similar? Hollow points that shed their petals. Other designs like the woodleigh hydro?

CEBs supposedly expand down to 1500 fps and only shed their petals when they hit aqueous tissue and hammer through bone.

Any issues reloading these bullets?

Are they the "magic bullet" in terms of penetration and internal damage? If they work as advertised they seem like they would be a pretty impressive wildlife defence load too.

Would also be curious if anyone uses them in 223? They're available in 228, might turn a BRNO 22 HP over 12 gauge into a pretty solid deer gun.

Really open to any feedback and stories of using novel monometal bullet designs. I get the feeling these may be the future and address the supposed "slow killing" of traditional monos
 
Well I have no experience with either but I know Ron Spomer talk highly of the hammer bullets for what it’s worth!
 
Haven't tried 'em but they certainly have my attention, expansion down to 1500 is quite good for a lead free bullet.

Wasn't Ardent using some of the CEBs in his 375 Kemano?
 
I just bought some 165gn TTSX cause the other options are not as easy to find, still would be interested to get me some and try them!
 
I have been running hammers for about 4 years now and there is no going back.

Great accuracy, great velocity, less fouling, easy load development... but the terminal performance is what really stands out to me.

Both Hammer and CEB shed their petals (unlike Barnes which do not. In my experience the Barnes are great at impacts above 3000fps, but leave me wanting as impact vel drops)

The guys at Hammer worked really hard to get their shed petals to track along with the shank. This can result in really impressive wound channels, yet very little meat loss.

My reference standard for (big game) terminal performance is a .308 180gr Nosler Partition, and I ve seen smaller, lighter Hammers do more internal damage with less bloodshot meat.

Come on over to the Hammertime forum, the kool-aid tastes great!
 
DGY said:
I just bought some 165gn TTSX cause the other options are not as easy to find, still would be interested to get me some and try them!
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One of the many benefits of Hammers is that they are always in stock.

George's shooting shack carries a selection, but you can order direct from the Hammer website and they usually ship same day 👍

(Edited to add; I have no affiliation with Hammer - just a happy customer who is a bit nutty about terminal performance)
 
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Interesting to hear the hammers petals follow the core. The CEB seem to go all over, though this is seemingly part of their appeal.

From past conversations I have heard that CEB are also very easy to get good accuracy out of. Universally it seems that people say they shoot well and cause a LOT of damage.

Thanks for the shooting shack tip.

I am going to order some 235 grain 338 hammers off of them.

I have been emailing with CEB and they sent me info for their 8mm 170 grain raptor in 8x57 and 225 grain 338 raptor in 338 wm. Just need to find the 8mm 170 in Canada. Hoping to see how it works on goats next summer in my haenel Jager 9
 
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It's all good. The biggest thing with these all copper bullets is making sure your barrel can stabilize them.

Copper doesn't have the same density as lead, so for any given weight, a copper bullet is goona be longer, and longer bullets require a faster twist to stabilize.

This is important not just for flight but terminal performance too. If a bullet is understabilized it can tumble on impact resulting in unpredictable expansion and (not a straight line) penetration.

Pay attention to recommended twist rates, regardless of brand, and put the bullet in a good spot when it's time!
 
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Nothing dramatic to report chuck? Gushing wounds, dead right there, straight line penetration etc
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The bear just died. It exited, he went 20 yards and it was quite obvious he was in trouble. Lots of blood trail had it been necessary.

This new site sucks for getting pictures where I’d like them. Baaaah
 
I used a fair few of the .458 CEB Safari Raptors on Asiatic buffalo; at least 30 head or so. What I found with them is they killed about like TSXs, sometimes I thought they might hit a little harder but in the end there was either no difference that mattered on that score. They do have a fatal flaw as far as I’m
concerned. Hit anything on the way to the animal and those petals will tear off in the air and its a complete fluke if you get there at all. I found many petalls that just nicked the hide enough to stick.

I’m not talking about the first shot on an unwounded animal, that should always be a clear one since you have the option of not shooting at all. I talking about follow-ups, which you can count on needing. It is quite frustrating to have a buffalo at close range with his head hanging and run a mag at it with no result. I’m not talking about deflection by itself, anything can deflect but you have a prayer of ending it if your bullet hasn’t already broken into 7 pieces. TSXs didn’t have that problem and A Frames were better than both in everyway I could detect. So big downside, no upside. The CEB solids are about as good as it gets as solids go, and the Woodleigh Hydros are about the same. Trouble is, solids are pathetic on buffalo, I’d rather shoot a pig with a pellet gun. Did I mention they suck? They suck.
 
I have reached out to George's Shooting Shack several times by email and phone to try to get some Hammer Bullets ordered but never had any luck getting a response.

Has anyone had better luck or suggestions?
Hand Skills said:
One of the many benefits of Hammers is that they are always in stock.

George's shooting shack carries a selection, but you can order direct from the Hammer website and they usually ship same day 👍

(Edited to add; I have no affiliation with Hammer - just a happy customer who is a bit nutty about terminal performance)
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Hand Skills said:
One of the many benefits of Hammers is that they are always in stock.

George's shooting shack carries a selection, but you can order direct from the Hammer website and they usually ship same day 👍

(Edited to add; I have no affiliation with Hammer - just a happy customer who is a bit nutty about terminal performance)
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So it sounds like they might not be the best buffalo bullet.

Disappointed to hear they don't exceed the ability of the TSX

I do wonder if the petals would do more damage on softer game. For some reason I have it in my head to try 8mm CEBs on goats

I think I misunderstood what woodleigh hydros are trying to do.

Maybe I got too eager on the marketing hype, I was under the impression they performed as magic bullets that drove straight through bone, hide and tissue while the cavity on top caused soft point like permanent wounds.

I'd love to see something on buffalo hunting with woodleigh hydros and solids in small bore calibers like 30-06.
 
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