Adventures in fire lapping. SUCCESS 23-Aug

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Conceived by Veral smith, IIRC, fire lapping consists of shooting light loads of soft cast bullets, impregnated with a very fine lapping compound. This can remove many of the fine microscopic burrs left by the rifling process in new barrels. These fine burrs can remove tiny bits of bullet jacket material and lead to fouling of the bore prematurely. Some premium barrel makers use this method of lapping their barrels
I have an elderly Long Lee that had been crudely sporterised but has a relatively clean exterior. The bore was worn and had fine pitting throughout its length and lizard skin for the first few inches ahead of the chamber, showing that it had seen a bit too much cordite ammunition over the decades. I recently found a bottle of .303 bullets that I had treated with Veral's paste a couple of decades ago. I shot them with a small powder charge, two rounds at a time, and then cleaning. I did this for 40 shots and fired 5 shots of my current load at 0, 10, 16, 30 and 40 lapping rounds. 5 round group size and the best 3 shots are indicated. [50 yards]
Lapping round......................5 shot.................................Best three
number...................................group..................................shot group

0.............................................6 & 5/8..................................1 & 3/8
10..........................................4 & 1/2..................................2 & 1/4
16..........................................2 & 7/8...................................1 & 1/4
30..........................................2 & 7/8..................................1 & 1/8
40..........................................3 & 3/8..................................1 & 5/8

Though the lapping has shown a definite improvement, it seems that I may have reached the improvement limit for this rifle. OTOH, the front sight is a bead type which gives me the worst sight picture and there is a large chip forming in the butt stock at the receiver, so the deck is stacked against me from the start.

After firing the first group, there was noticeably more resistance to cleaning and patching in the last few inches at the muzzle. It seems that I was just running out of lapping near the muzzle. It was after all a Looong Lee with a 29 inch barrel. This effect continued throughout the test but overall resistance decreased as the testing progressed.

So fire lapping is a successful technique, both for increasing accuracy and smoothing out the bore to reduce fouling. I will probably try another 10 lapping rounds, as well as installing a post or globe front sight and check the stock fitment. I might even try a Parker 9F rear sight. It's all part of the fun.

Some people have objected to fire lapping, saying that it erodes the bore excessively. I'm posting photos, in order at 0, 16, and 40 lapping rounds, of the same spot in the barrel. There is no apparent difference although there seems to be a bit more shine to the bore since I started, but that could be totally subjective. Merrill Martin, in Precision Shooting magazine, has written that he has found diamond paste to be a better lapping agent. I have used it, but not enough to give a valid opinion, although I will use it in the future.
 

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I believe 40 is too many
when I did fire lapping, years ago, the consensus was 5 to 10 abrasive bullets tops
lapping compound does remove material and it doesn't take much to go from 0.311 to .312
 
While I haven't done it for many years, I usuall did 30 rounds with good results.
However, I've never done a barrel this rough.
At this point, I have little to lose.
 
Years ago I used a product David Tubbs Final Finish fire lapping kit in an M1Garand with a new 308 barrel. It was grouping about 3in at 100 yards, after firing the sequence of bullets the group size dropped by over an inch . I have another candidate rifle but have been unable to find it in Canada and cant find a US dealer who will ship to Canada. If anyone has a contact for it the David Tubbs Final
finish fire lapping does work very well.
 
Hmmm…..This gives me an idea for my Chiappa lever 44 that has ugly machine marks on the rifling. Impossible to use cast bullets and I haven’t got around to try jacketed.

How do I imbed fine grit?
 
one way to add the grit is to smear it on 2 pieces of glass and roll the bullet between them
I guess one could use steel instead of glass
 
kjohn, fire lapping does have benefits for certain issues.

I've had a couple of rifles which lost accuracy for no reason I could see, even with a bore scope.

It happened to me at a HBR match in Penticton, shooting a 308 win, built by Nobbi Uno.

This rifle only had appx 800 rounds through the Hart 1-15 twist bbl. I was using Rany Robinette's custom 135 grain bullets as they were always consistent and the rifle shot them well.

The rifle went from being a consistent 10 ring shooter to and 8 or 9 ring shooter.

When I got it home, I cleaned every trace of copper out of it, then checked it out with a bore scope. Not the fancy units we have today.

I couldn't see anything awry, other than one of the edges on a land looked rough. This shouldn't have caused any issues, but when I shot it again, with a proven load, bullet jammed into the leade as usual, the rifle didn't shoot any better.

I bought one of those NECO kits for fire lapping, which was just Diamond grit abrasive paste, with a dozen cast lead bullets and an instruction pamphlet.

I wasn't going to shoot all of those bullets down the bore of a very consistently accurate barrel, which was also expensive. So I loaded and fired two of them, cleaned and shot again.

The results were very promising as the bullets were cutting the edges of the 10 ring but mostly in the 9 ring.

I cleaned the bore again and shot two more, that worked well. The barrel was shooting as well as it ever had.

When I looked down the bore again, with a borescope, the rough edge on the land was smoothed over.

My only guess was a bit of the leading edge on the land had become brittle? or just separated for whatever reason.

I wouldn't even consider fire lapping a bore with 40 shots, no matter how bad the chatter marks.
 
Since I still had a bit of extra cleaning resistance at the muzzle, I gave it an extra ten rounds, now 50. Then after a good cleaning, I fired ten of my standard .303 cast bullet load. With 1 called flyer, the other nine went into 3 & 1/8 inches. Five of them went into 9/16 inch, another three went into 1 & 3/16 inch. So, the old doll is still telling me that she wants to shoot.

I think that there is a world of difference between a prima donna with the vapours that just needs a gentle tweak, and dowager queen that needs heroic surgery to keep her out of the boneyard.
 

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Well, my goal was 10 shots into 2 & 1/2 inches at fifty yards. Today, I got 10 into 2 & 5/16 inches. Now, I can give the old doll a bit of a rest and perhaps pretty her up over the winter. While I have three ratty old Long Lee's, I think I'll work on something more modern next. I have a Pattern 14 that could use some loving.
 

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