.308 or 30-06
- Thread starter bdplumbing
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I imagine I could hunt
thats unfair to both
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I’ll call and raise ya to .280
pete dobinson
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Might as well bring up the 284 win, then we can keep the long and short action debate going.
That's a new one to me..."recoil=accuracy"...
I've got a miserable old HVA 98 that was originally 9.3x57, reamed out to 9.3x62 by a member here in his garage lol. Has a 1/8" plastic butt pad and kicks like a mule pushing 286gr at 2500fps, that's around 4000ft/lbs muzzle.
It will knock your fillings loose, fairly light weight rifle, it's what I bring out when guys say they can handle recoil, they only shoot it once lol.
I can put 3 into a group like this at 100m anytime, it's not fun, but I have to disagree that recoil has any impact on accuracy, at least I haven't seen it yet.
On a bench tho, right? Perhaps what was meant was recoil is adversely proportional to accuracy relative to the shooter.
Would you shoot it from offhand, kneeling etc against someone with, say, a Tikka in 223 for money? Or, with just you as the variable, would you bet that you wouldn't shoot one of your much lighter recoiling rifles better?
Would you shoot it from offhand, kneeling etc against someone with, say, a Tikka in 223 for money? Or, with just you as the variable, would you bet that you wouldn't shoot one of your much lighter recoiling rifles better?
Recoil has zero effect on accuracy if you aren't afraid of it. I have plenty of heavy recoiling rifles that I would shoot against a .223... including a .458 Lott, as it is one of my most accurate rifles with 500 grain DGX.
Only in that I am not afraid of recoil... but I shoot with lots of guys that aren't afraid of recoil. However, I am also on CGN where many times there are recommendations for a .243 over a .308 for the reduced recoil... so if folks are concerned about the recoil of a .308, then they are concerned with recoil, period. If your head is in a bad place and you short circuit and flinch before every squeeze, it will certainly affect your accuracy. Once you ingrain that the thump won't kill you, there is no reason to not shoot the heavier recoiling cartridges accurately.
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Haha, I think I see where you are coming from;
It's 2024, where feelings matter and results are optional!
On the other hand, if you don't consider common sense a super power, then it's just mind over matter. Physiologically, the BANG is a lot scarier than the recoil.
Postional shooting gets interesting though. Big boomers demand perfect shooting form to keep point of impact consistent.
Likely Greg shoots so much and so frequently he takes this for granted as second nature
It's 2024, where feelings matter and results are optional!
On the other hand, if you don't consider common sense a super power, then it's just mind over matter. Physiologically, the BANG is a lot scarier than the recoil.
Postional shooting gets interesting though. Big boomers demand perfect shooting form to keep point of impact consistent.
Likely Greg shoots so much and so frequently he takes this for granted as second nature
The folks in your shooting/hunting circle need to get away from their keyboard, out of their cubicle, eat a pot roast, and shoot a couple hundred rounds with .40 cal plus rifles... after that, their shooting will improve immensely with the "little" .300 magnums, let alone the .308 or .30/06... they will wonder what the fuss was all about. It is simply a matter of experience and training.
Likely he believes he shoots his big boomers as well as the 223s but has never actually verified this, he may be right I just doubt it. People maintain that what they believe is true, even when it is more faith based than it is evidence based.Haha, I think I see where you are coming from;
It's 2024, where feelings matter and results are optional!
On the other hand, if you don't consider common sense a super power, then it's just mind over matter. Physiologically, the BANG is a lot scarier than the recoil.
Postional shooting gets interesting though. Big boomers demand perfect shooting form to keep point of impact consistent.
Likely Greg shoots so much and so frequently he takes this for granted as second nature
Look at it this way. Maybe you can shoot your 458 magnum better than 90% of people shoot a 223. Thats fantastic. But I still think you're going to outshoot yourself with a 223 compared to with your 458.
Unless someone says "Yep, I tried, and here's the results" well...
And the "man up/keyboard warrior" implications have started haha. Could it be we hit the root of the insistence here?
Maybe shooting the lil guns a wee bit better may be a bitter pill hahaMaybe, if they practice perfectly with the boomers they improve across the board.
Maybe they don't practice perfectly and end up with a bunch of bad habits
But I don't think after a couple hundred rounds of .40 cal rifles they shoot them better than a 223. I don't think that anyone does.
Willing to concede that we haven't tried it, and as of now its unverified speculation vs unverified speculation.
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Likely he believes he shoots his big boomers as well as the 223s but has never actually verified this, he may be right I just doubt it. People maintain that what they believe is true, even when it is more faith based than it is evidence based.
Look at it this way. Maybe you can shoot your 458 magnum better than 90% of people shoot a 223. Thats fantastic. But I still think you're going to outshoot yourself with a 223 compared to with your 458.
Unless someone says "Yep, I tried, and here's the results" well...
And the "man up/keyboard warrior" implications have started haha. Could it be we hit the root of the insistence here?
Maybe, if they practice perfectly with the boomers they improve across the board.
Maybe they don't practice perfectly and end up with a bunch of bad habits
But I don't think after a couple hundred rounds of .40 cal rifles they shoot them better than a 223. I don't think that anyone does.
Willing to concede that we haven't tried it, and as of now its unverified speculation vs unverified speculation.
Well, a couple of points. I shoot more .22 cal centerfire rounds than all other rounds combined, so I guess that qualifies me to make the comparison. Next, I GUARANTEE that a couple hundred rounds with a "boomer" will make you a better shot with other lighter recoiling cartridges that you previously harbored a deep, sub-conscious fear of... and that "boomer" practice does not have to be "good" practice... just stand properly and shoulder firmly and start touching off rounds... you can miss the target completely and just spray them into the berm. What you are working on, is breaking an irrational and engrandized fear of recoil, whether the push or the boom, matters not... what you are countering is your own mind and sensibilities. After about 50 rounds it will start to kick in, after a 100, you will be secretly proud of yourself, after 150 you will start to relish the push, after 200 your mind will be freed to focus on the fundamentals of form and technique without the background burden of fear. When I say 200 rounds, I am not saying in one afternoon sitting, you can space it out however you choose, and clearly the numbers are arbitrary, but the concept is sound and I have seen it work many times with friends and hunting partners and folks at the range. We did it to ourselves, recoil is probably discussed more than any other aspect of a cartridge or platform, we simply and subliminally introduced fear into the process and fear short-circuits motor skills, sometimes to an extreme point. Ever see a guy at the range squeeze the trigger on a misfire and just about jump out of his seat? That is fear.
