Retriever Training?

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I am the proud owner of a Black Lab Puppy and would like to train him to retrieve waterfowl particularly geese in cornfields. What is the best way to go about it and are there any good how to books or is some sort of instructor required? Also assuming all goes well what is a reasonable age to starting hunting with the dog?
 
Wow, thats a huge chunk of stuff to look at TurkeySlayer...

You can go anywhere from getting a pro to take your dog and train it all for you, to finding some books and trying it all yourself... and some options inbetween.

I have a friend with a black thats a little over 1 year old. He was out this past week and retreiving canada's from their shoot... He comes from a nice line of retreivers, so I know the instinct was good from the onset.

He went to a trainer for a bit... he has books... and the guy that sold the dog to him is well versed and has the perfect trained female (mother)...

I think the biggest thing is to stick with whatever choice you make... I know that everyone has little ideas on what should be done and how, but you need to sort out what you want that dog to do and how, and then make it happen.

I am sure there will be others that can give some examples of books and trainers...

CK
 
Game Dog, Water Dog, Gun Dog all good books for training, some of the correction methods my be considered outdated by some but the basics are there regardless of the technique.
As far as age for hunting, you should have no problem with hunting this fall, just be respectful of the rest of your hunting party if your dog is not as ready as you are he may be a pain in the ass for a bit.

Do a search on Youtube, lots of great videos there (also some crap so be careful)
 
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Game Dog, Water Dog, Gun Dog all good books.
X2 on those books. As for training work I highly recomend live pigeons for starting a pup and hobble them or lock their wings at first and hide them in the grass to get the pup to use its nose to find the birds. Once the pup can find them and catch them then shed the hobbles and start shooting them when they flush, by the way you can use the dead ones for a while by freezing them to work on blind retrieves at a later time. The retrieving part is fairly easy at first its more difficult later to keep them focused and teach them to hold at the shot. I will be honest with you my own lab doesn't hold at the shot very well, he is more about getting on the birds the instant they touch down.
The most important thing I can tell you is you will only get out what you put in to the dog. A lab can be trained to do just about anything, but they can be stubborn as hell when they want to be. My dog is 5 now and hunts waterfowl, phesants, grouse, woodcock, rabits, raccoons, and can find a turkey in a 100acre hay field in a matter of minutes. I rarely go hunting without him and now wonder how I hunted without him.
Good Luck
 
I would also recommend "The 10 Minute Retriever" by Amy Dahl.

Find yourself a Hunting Retriever Club if you are in Ontario
http://www.huntingretrieverclub.org/

Or Canadian Kennel Club Hunt Test.

A club will be of great assistance.

Remember that obedience is the key. Get that down first and keep it fun.
 
Where abouts are you located Turkeyslayer. If in SW Ontario I might be able to help, or at least point you in the right direction to a group or club that does retriever training.

As for the age thing, start training right away. Obedience is key. Sit, Stay, Here, Heel are vital to having a bidable dog in the field. Nothing worse than an out of control dog when the geese have the landing gear down. I have hunted geese with 10 month old pups, just a matter of getting them to figure out that the goose isn't to big for them to pick up. Be careful about sending them on still live geese, they can be a handful for a young dog, and it might turn ugly.
 
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Get a hold of Mike Lardy tapes, he has the best training program out there.
Most hunt test/hunters and field trial folks use his methods.
 
Training your Retreiver by James Lamb Free is an excellent book. Written 40-50 years ago, but the information and training system works.
 
Training your Retreiver by James Lamb Free is an excellent book. Written 40-50 years ago, but the information and training system works.

a very good book to have as a guide. i trained my first retriever in 1971. jim free's book was a great help.some of his ideas and methods are not all that accepted today, but there's no doubt he knew his stuff and bred and trained some of the best quality labs in north america.i.e. freehaven jay, freehaven muscles and freehaven molly. if you can find it BUY IT !!!
 
7.62mm also gave some advice about retriever training in response to my post in this thread:

Dog crate training. How long for yours?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2031717

Rammer Jammer said:
On a side note, I found out something interesting today about dogs that may be related to their training:

Canine Color Vision

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From http://www.uwsp.edu/PSYCH/dog/LA/DrP4.htm


I Googled about dog color blindness after noticing my dog couldn't see his fluorescent green and pink cloth frisbee (Hey, it was $3 ;) ) when it landed on top of a fence post beside a tree.

He was looking up in the tree and the area around it and I couldn't believe he couldn't see it hanging there. I threw chunks of snow at it until he noticed it. He seemed pretty surprised to see it. Now I know why.

Thought some of you might find this info useful for training or even just general knowledge.

Yep, when doing retriever training, we use white, black/white bumpers for marking work, and use orange bumpers for doing blind retrieves. They don't see the orange, and pick up on the scent of the bumper when they are close to it.


Incidentally, most retrievers do one of the two retrieving types better. Either a dog is a good marker, or a good order taker, like what is required for a blind retrieve. Basically, when a dog is doing a blind retrieve, it has no idea where the downed duck is, so the handler sends the dog on a line to the bird, and constantly readjusts the course of the dogs by blowing the whistle, the dog then stops, faces the handler, sits, and awaits either a hand signal, or hand signal/verbal instructions from the handler. This is done both on land and water, at distances of 300 - 400 yards. It is quite a thing to watch some of these dogs. Amazing really.

I should explain marks as well. Generally, in an open division, 3 to 4 ducks are thrown in sequnce, some far 300 yds., some short maybe 100 yds. or less. Then the dog goes and picks them all up in sequence, or however the handler wants the dog to pick them up. Pretty incredible for a dog to remember where all 4 birds are, especially on water, when it could be 10 minutes or more from the time it was sent for the first bird to the time it picks up the last.

I highly recommend anybody interested in retrievers to get out to a field trial in your area, if you get a chance. You will be stunned by what these dogs can do.
 
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