Am I the only one
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Ardent
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There’s a fork to this road in my mind. There are guns ‘Tac’d’ for the purpose of marketing which I despise, and the good guns that by evolution end up with a military heritage and appearance like Valmets, and AR10s that I can readily appreciate.
I have absolutely nothing against functional, well designed firearms that come from a military heritage or are of unconventional appearance. Hell the M98 that’s the grandfather of nearly every modern bolt hunting rifle, did. I can’t appreciate guns that are cheesed out and named with acronyms or corny aggressive monikers purely for the purpose of digging into the impressionables’ credit lines.
I have absolutely nothing against functional, well designed firearms that come from a military heritage or are of unconventional appearance. Hell the M98 that’s the grandfather of nearly every modern bolt hunting rifle, did. I can’t appreciate guns that are cheesed out and named with acronyms or corny aggressive monikers purely for the purpose of digging into the impressionables’ credit lines.
I think we're coming full circle back to "imagine caring what other people do if it's not hurting anyone" with the "ghey" talk...
Did someone sneak a bottle of sherry into the home?
While I am unfortunately no longer the "younger generation" I have to say that very few "modern" guns pique my interest. It took me years to join team fibreglass and stainless steel or even buy a scope
Did someone sneak a bottle of sherry into the home?
While I am unfortunately no longer the "younger generation" I have to say that very few "modern" guns pique my interest. It took me years to join team fibreglass and stainless steel or even buy a scope
Just to be clear, I have absolutely no problem and no dislike for homose*ual people and want them welcome in the gun/hunting community. Find it funny how so many people who do have issues seem to devote so much mental space to it and have so many pictures of them lol.
How ANY of that relates to owning a rifle is utterly and completely beyond me, but here we are lol.
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FatCatsDad
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It's one more gun in a private owners hands is all that's important.
Stainless and laminate stocks is as far as I want to stray from blue and walnut.
On the odd occasion when I check into r/canadaguns the tactical lever monstrosities are shown with great pride but seen by me in utter disgust.
I dont care what someone wants to do with $4000 , it doesn't mean I'm required to like it, or against gun ownership.
Take a read through any of the dealer threads announcing new models or pre orders, there are hundreds of posts in multiple threads describing the guns as ugly etc.
Stainless and laminate stocks is as far as I want to stray from blue and walnut.
On the odd occasion when I check into r/canadaguns the tactical lever monstrosities are shown with great pride but seen by me in utter disgust.
I dont care what someone wants to do with $4000 , it doesn't mean I'm required to like it, or against gun ownership.
Take a read through any of the dealer threads announcing new models or pre orders, there are hundreds of posts in multiple threads describing the guns as ugly etc.
Nice try Joey.
I figured they were Halloween costumes.
Takes one to know one I suppose.........
Says the guy who collects pics of these particular "Halloween costumes" and imagines other guys in them hahahaNice try Joey.
I figured they were Halloween costumes.
Takes one to know one I suppose.........
Whatever you gotta tell yourself, Kam! If rifles make you get your pic collections out, so be it
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No, guns are being made the way they are because we now live in a disposable society where fit, finish, aesthetics, repairability have all taken a back seat to people buying quality items meant to last a lifetime of service.
Even if you look at things thought of as "nice" like a Miroku-made Winchester, and compare that to an original 73, 92, 94, etc. in nice condition, you'll notice:
-lower grade walnut with a sprayed finish vs a hand-rubbed oil finish
-lower quality of polish, less crisp edges because the receivers, etc. were machine polished, not polished by hand.
-Less good fit of wood, because it was all machine inlet, zero hand fitting.
-roll pins, where there used to be precisely fit machined pins
-un-polished screw heads
-button rifling that used the be precision cut rifling
-hot dip blue or cyanide cosmetic faux-case hardening, where there used to be either rust blue, carbonia blue or real color case hardening.
-MIM parts, vs forged and machined
This has nothing to do with young vs. old, it has to do with what used to be family companies who traded on reputation, now being corporations beholden to share holders who want to squeeze out the last penny by finding way to make things cheap that appear to be expensive.
The same would hold true even of tactical black rifles. Go look at the workmanship on an old Colt HBAR, then look at almost anything made now. Even non-Fudd guns are victim of this decline.
For what it's worth, I have, own, use modern sport and tactical rifles, and old classics. I sue them for different purposes. I'm still not personally sold on a tactical lever gun, but as I said above, to each his own and I am glad it's making some people happy to maybe be able to buy these.
Blaaaaa bla bla. Good boomer post, lol.
You can still go buy guns with all the nice stuff you want.
Properly engineered and machined parts will ALWAYS be better than hand made/fitted parts. Machines are more consistent and precise than a human could ever be. MIM is an excellent technology when applied in the right areas. Critical parts are still being forged and machined in quality firearms, which are still being produced. I don't give a sh!t if the screw heads are polished on my guns, lol.
If you look for cheap stuff, you'll find cheap stuff.
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My FIL made sure to put his Les Paul in his will for my wife.Tell that to Fender guitars and basses
I'm NOT a boomer, thank you very much. I can like high quality older things and not be 70.
I also happen to be a mechanical engineer with a materials science and production background, so thanks for the lesson on MIM parts and the virtue of machine fit. I'll have to keep that in mind.
When I want a perfect fit, I specify hand fitting - machines generally cannot do as well as things like hand lapping and polishing - that's a fact.
Lol. I happen to be a machinist. Let me know when a human can make 2 of the same thing within a ten thousandth of an inch of each other. Derp.I'm NOT a boomer, thank you very much. I can like high quality older things and not be 70.
I also happen to be a mechanical engineer with a materials science and production background, so thanks for the lesson on MIM parts and the virtue of machine fit. I'll have to keep that in mind.
When I want a perfect fit, I specify hand fitting - machines generally cannot do as well as things like hand lapping and polishing - that's a fact.
Who said make? I said fitted.
Machine made, hand fit - caprice?
Try googling straw man argument, derp.
I give up. Enjoy your ignorance.
For everyone else, look at an 870 express. That’s what right off the machines with a phosphate finish looks like. Look at a vintage wingmaster. That’s hand finishing. The difference could not be more stark.
Hand finishing by expert craftsmen can get you within microns. Machine finish, typically within thousandths of an inch, and typically not to high polish while maintaining consistent flats and edges.
You can improve a machine finish to be reasonably good right off the machines, but not affordably in a firearms context, and not as fine as hand finish.
If anyone’s ever taken apart, say a pre-war Merkel combination gun, that’s the ultimate in a hand fit and finish. Those parts were machine made and are not interchangeable, but with a hand finish applied.
So if you compare pre-war machines, hand finishing might be more precise (still likely not), but you seem to be unaware that technological advancement has happened in the last hundred years? You're absolutely delusional if you think that modern CNC machines can't get within thousandths of an inch. It's painfully obvious that you haven't been around modern manufacturing in any capacity.
I just can't even comprehend a mechanical engineer thinking that hand fitting is more consistent, precise, and economical than CNC machining. Those are LITERALLY the three advantages CNC machining has over manual fitting. Unreal.
I need to find some of the glue you're sniffing, it seems like good stuff.
