Am I the only one

Ardent said:
I think he’d take one look at the rack and ask for the modern mil pattern semi if he wanted a suppressed, rail equipped carbine. Especially after watching a couple of the gunfights where the two types faced off.
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I completely agree, but those weren't options of the question were they? ;)
 
That is a good point! But white light red dots and suppressors don’t make the gun a better gun, more efficient maybe, that is debatable, the light will run out of battery, same with the red dot, as for the suppressor, it seems (I never shot a gun with one) it would make the gun less handy/fast….
And really all of those accessories would make the rifle more prone to snagging on things and harder to slide in and out of a saddle scabbard imo
 
DGY said:
That is a good point! But white light red dots and suppressors don’t make the gun a better gun, more efficient maybe, that is debatable, the light will run out of battery, same with the red dot, as for the suppressor, it seems (I never shot a gun with one) it would make the gun less handy/fast….
And really all of those accessories would make the rifle more prone to snagging on things and harder to slide in and out of a saddle scabbard imo
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I dunno, seems to me dudes are gettin in and out of helos and APCs that are really cramped just fine. Same with squad/patrol cars.

Perhaps a saddle scabbard that accomodates the accessories would be doable? Why not?

I don't think a suppressor or red dot making a gun easier to use than irons is in any way debatable. But why not both, if that's your stance? With that rifle, you can.

If the light runs out of batteries, take it off the gun, and how are you any worse than the gun without a white light that you already had?

Battery life on a red dot like an aimpoint is only 50,000+ hours. Spares can be carried easily unless its a universe in which only one battery exists, but either way.
 
That said, I can see how you might have snagging issues if you have a lot of accessories, uncovered cheesegrater rails, etc using period era scabbards and gear, DGY!
 
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Ardent said:
I just find it rather artificial trying to eliminate everything else that exists. I know my grandfather would ask which costs more, and if there was a difference in things shot by either. ;) Guns were tools, then.
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And what makes the one above not a tool now?

"Artificial" it may be, but I think its no different than any other hypothetical. And we can all answer a hypothetical, can't we?

"How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast today?"
 
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Ardent said:
I just find it rather artificial trying to eliminate everything else that exists. I know my grandfather would ask which costs more, and if there was a difference in things shot by either. ;) Guns were tools, then.
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Same as clothing, Dad hunted in Rubber boots wool socks, jeans and long John's, plaid jacket, and had no problem bringing home game.
Now there are $700 camo technical coats and $400 pants etc.

It's all marketing.
 
FatCatsDad said:
Same as clothing, Dad hunted in Rubber boots wool socks, jeans and long John's, plaid jacket, and had no problem bringing home game.
Now there are $700 camo technical coats and $400 pants etc.

It's all marketing.
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Unless you actually like being warmer and drier for longer and with less bulk.
 
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I like my wool, but won’t go out in jeans not for the type of hunting I do usually, and I like my GTX jacket for sure! But that as nothing to do with the fugly guns we see coming out today 😂
 
Joel said:
Maybe if they had the choice they'd be wearing Sitka!

Jeans lol
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Google old hunting pictures, see what the fashions were.

Weather of course plays a factor, as does distance from camp among others, no ATV's back then either and I don't recall any of Dads friends even having a scope mounted.

You do seem to look for and take great joy in looking for the extreme conditions where what someone posts wouldn't be suitable like you think all hunters of days gone by were idiots.
 
FatCatsDad said:
Google old hunting pictures, see what the fashions were.

Weather of course plays a factor, as does distance from camp among others, no ATV's back then either and I don't recall any of Dads friends even having a scope mounted.

You do seem to look for and take great joy in looking for the extreme conditions where what someone posts wouldn't be suitable like you think all hunters of days gone by were idiots.
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How could they be idiots for not using stuff that didnt exist yet?
 
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FatCatsDad said:
There were other types of heavier clothing ,water repellent clothing available had they so chosen.

Are you really that obtuse ?
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Oh, chill lol.

I said modern gear is advantageous and gave reasons why. You haven't proven that wrong.

It doesn't matter what they wore back then because it isn't a comparison to that which didn't exist at the time. Simple logic.

"They didnt have scopes" you say. Wonderful. Think none of em woulda stuck with my trijicon if they had a chance and were willing to try it out for a while? Or are ya gonna tell me that iron sights are better too ;)
 
I have been an avid hunter and firearms owner for over 50 years. There hasn't been much that I haven't owned or shot over those years, and have always gravitated towards whatever realistically met my hunting needs and requirements. My safe contains everything from the timeless Winchester model 94 to my go to coyote/truck rifle Troy PAR 223. Whatever you chose, just used enjoy and get out to here.
Cheers
 
Joel said:
Oh, chill lol.

I said modern gear is advantageous and gave reasons why. You haven't proven that wrong.

It doesn't matter what they wore back then because it isn't a comparison to that which didn't exist at the time. Simple logic.

"They didnt have scopes" you say. Wonderful. Think none of em woulda stuck with my trijicon if they had a chance and were willing to try it out for a while? Or are ya gonna tell me that iron sights are better too ;)
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I'm saying all that equipment was not necessary and is not necessary, Game can be harvested this season as it was 75 years ago.
Same as expensive $300 knives, nice but the $20 Anazon knife will skin a deer after a nice sharpening, or a few sharpenings
 
FatCatsDad said:
I'm saying all that equipment was not necessary and is not necessary, Game can be harvested this season as it was 75 years ago.
Same as expensive $300 knives, nice but the $20 Anazon knife will skin a deer after a nice sharpening, or a few sharpenings.
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Okay, cool.

Then you see how I never actually said thats not so, and you were still calling me obtuse and saying I called past generations of hunters idiots? ;)

People were killing deer 75 years before them too. Gear improves with time, always has, always will. Necessary? Dunno who says so. Better, yup. Will do you better with it? Yup.
 
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