Educating buyers and sellers of Scopes

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My observations of what buyers will buy and sellers are willing to sell.
New and new to the owners of scopes that are not what their intended use is for.
Whether it is a rimfire with a hunting scope or a hunting rifle with a target scope, how do you tell someone their choice is not right.
Be it Cabela's sales staff selling a scope for a hunting rifle "This is what you want" but the reticle is a serious competition scope with a fine cross hair.
Or buying used without the instruction manual. Worse yet is not reading the instruction manual. Then wanting the scope installed and sighted in.
Practicality and purpose are so often missed.
The number of Rifle Nights where someone wants a scope installed or bore sighted has prompted me to bring all of my installation equipment.
Who is selling and who is buying brings to mind the saying "There is a sucker born every minute!", but a 4-12 Leupold Freedom scope on an Anschutz target rifle.
They didn't see him coming . . . they must have called him!
 
I remember FB gun group where someone was asking for someone to zero his scope for them. He wanted to send or give the scope to someone. Expecting someone to zero it on their gun, then take the scope off and give it back, so they can mount it back on their gun and gave it shoot the same.

No clue how zeroing works.

I'm told all the time I need a 36 or 45x scope. I personally don't like super high mags. It's like stabilizing a fly on redbull.
 
I hear ya. For me its big, high mag for my rimfires I shoot at the club and lightweight low mag for hunting and I do it all myself. Buddy of mine could never set his scopes up although I didn’t mind doing it for him. Way too many posts on here folks wanting a 25x on a rifle they plan to carry around and shoot. I get it for long range but I wouldn’t want to carry it around.
 
100 people have 100 opinions, the only one that matters is the guy the bought the scope.


There are a lot if rifles out there setup in ways that don't make sense to me but make sense to the owner.

He may have a target scope on a BL22 for a number of reasons but I'll bet he can hit the squirrel 75 yards away just fine.
 
I often cringed at the set ups I was asked to mount... absolutely huge scopes on compact hunting rifles... the bulk and weight! When a 3.5-10x40mm would have been wonderful.
 
horseman2 said:
My observations of what buyers will buy and sellers are willing to sell.
New and new to the owners of scopes that are not what their intended use is for.
Whether it is a rimfire with a hunting scope or a hunting rifle with a target scope, how do you tell someone their choice is not right.
Be it Cabela's sales staff selling a scope for a hunting rifle "This is what you want" but the reticle is a serious competition scope with a fine cross hair.
Or buying used without the instruction manual. Worse yet is not reading the instruction manual. Then wanting the scope installed and sighted in.
Practicality and purpose are so often missed.
The number of Rifle Nights where someone wants a scope installed or bore sighted has prompted me to bring all of my installation equipment.
Who is selling and who is buying brings to mind the saying "There is a sucker born every minute!", but a 4-12 Leupold Freedom scope on an Anschutz target rifle.
They didn't see him coming . . . they must have called him!
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A very successful firearms dealer told me: "The right gun for a person is the one they want." He said that even if we strongly disagree with the customer's choice, that (i.e.: our opinion) isn't what they're there for, and it doesn't profit us to argue the point, and if we do (argue the point) they're liable to go somewhere else. He said that if we give them what they want, and subsequent to that they determine - on their own - that they want or need something different, they'll come back (to us). His store had customers lining up to complete firearm purchases. I didn't see any sales jobs, just sales. At the entrance, there were actually two take-a-number ticket dispensers, like you see in the DMV. "Number seventeen!" The day that he told us that that he was driving his Porsche, but he also had a Ferarri, an AMG Mercedes, and a Corvette.

So that's what I came away with - "The right gun for a person is the one they want."
 
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Mainly when a customer wants to go hunting the focus should be on scopes for that purpose. When a customer is the owner of an Anschutz target rifle then the attributes of a higher powered product would be in line.
The agony of not being able to see your reticle while hunting or your bullet holes in competition is a little late.
 
Just give the people what they want.

Personally, I have a budget when I buy a scope and will try to maximize for the best returns, not necessarily what looks the best, you can do very well on the fringes.

I also don't like to buy used optics.
 
horseman2 said:
Mainly when a customer wants to go hunting the focus should be on scopes for that purpose. When a customer is the owner of an Anschutz target rifle then the attributes of a higher powered product would be in line.
The agony of not being able to see your reticle while hunting or your bullet holes in competition is a little late.
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Just because someone has a Anschutz doesn't mean they need a 45x. I personally don't like anything over 20x. If I need to see better, why they make spotting scopes.

I hate the 20inch long scope on my Anschutz.

Like the car scene, there is alot of doing stuff for the approval of others. I always saw what rims should I get, or what mods, then if someone did stuff for them, there was I don't like that, or should done that. I realized later in life, the clubs we mock were the better clubs.

Their gun, their needs. If you want to put a 4-16x50 on a lever. That their choice.
 
Sometimes folks with sight vision problems need the higher magnification.
Myself, I need 9x for shooting a target at 100 y/m’s.
I swap sides and I’m fine back to 3x.

Shoe sizes’n feet.
We’re all different.
 
There is two different things here I think, the person coming in n the store and asking what should I buy to hunt moose inside 200m and the persons coming in and ask if you have a (brand) in such and such magnification, the first person need to be educated and the second only need to be sold what they are asking for! Lots of store clerks are pushing a brand or what work for them but don’t make any sense of the need or purpose of the hunter(or target shooter) in front of them, same goes for ammo or even rifle actually!
 
No differnet than CGN and the 'whats the best .....' anything threads, questions with no basis or context still get lots of opinions
 
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How clear is your reticle at 32x ? You prob can 'see' the moose with that. And how accurate is your rifle, and how accurate are You at 800 ?
 
I came to hate rifles and unfortunately sold them because I scoped them foolishly. Wish I had a few of them back! Particularly a problem in my youth.
 
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