Strange issue with Lever action/ ammo?

Painkillers said:
Well, at least I'd hit it. You can force all the jam you want down the barrel, with 12" MOA, you ain't hittin' sh1t. Oh, and you're welcome btw. You be certain to crimp the ever lovin' out of those factory rounds okay. (another on ignore.)
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Lmao someone’s a sensitive little Nancy.
Ignoring someone because they don’t want to use a 30-30 in northern BC.


Thanks to those who actually contributed.
 
Painkillers said:
Well, at least I'd hit it. You can force all the jam you want down the barrel, with 12" MOA, you ain't hittin' sh1t. Oh, and you're welcome btw. You be certain to crimp the ever lovin' out of those factory rounds okay. (another on ignore.)
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Overcrimped can cause a safety concern.
I belive your pressure could increase to a unsafe level.
 
Another vote for ammo. I had this problem when I started loading 45-70 in my 1895CB, I was crimping but it wasn’t a good enough hold, had bullets unseat themselves from the recoil and the rounds rattling around in the mag tube.

Went to a Lee factory crimp on recommendations and haven’t had a problem since.
 
Figure out the actual problem before trying to fix anything. Seem to be a lot of conclusions and opinions without a lot of evidence.

- load your normal 6-7 rounds (call it 7) unload without firing (I assume by cycling the action)
- inspect rounds (might be an idea to measure them before & after)
- load same number of rounds and unload without firing or cycling the action. Hopefully there is a way to do that, mag tube cap/something?
- inspect rounds
- load same number of rounds and light one off, unload the remainder (by cycling)
Do the same with another/different brand of ammunition

That should tell you whether the problem is with the gun, spring pressure or the ammunition. (or a combination)

If it's the gun, call the manufacturer and get warranty, if it's the ammo - call Hornady and tell them whats happening...

DIY is your last option with brand new guns/ammo


Also, don't discount/dismiss voicing concerns with any ammunition manufacturer, they are more than happy to replace (usually with coupons) a few boxes of ammo rather than risk any sore of liability suit.
 
It is more difficult to observe an issue in a picture vs. real life but from the photo you have posted of the factory ammo it certainly appears that the factory crimp is minimal and even more so considering it is being crimped into the cannelure. Remember also that jacketed bullet plating is pretty hard and relatively smooth (i.e. less friction) making it even more difficult for a minimal crimp to satisfactorily grip the bullet.

As I see it there are only three potential causes for your bullet setback problem:
1. insufficient crimp
2. overly strong mag spring
3. shot recoil

As others have noted, increased crimping may well be the solution. Just don't go all King Kong to start with. Gradually increase the crimp until you reach the point where the mag spring pressure is not pushing the bullet back into the case. Then fire a few rounds to see if the accuracy improves. You may also want to fire a couple of rounds and then eject the remaining ones just to be sure that recoil isn't setting the bullet back. If it is continue to crimp until that issue is also eliminated.

There is a possibility that the spring is too stiff but it's always the solution of last resort when you start to cut/grind/file any part as you potentially put the gun out of action until the altered part can be replaced.

As for why others have not noticed this problem it could be for several reasons. Maybe it's not a common gun. Maybe people who have this gun don't use that ammo or they reload (at $6-7 a shot I certainly would be). Perhaps they solved the problem without posting about it. In any event you have some good suggestions to try. Maybe your post will be the one others refer to when the problem comes up for them. ;)
 
RyoTHC said:
You know what..

That is honestly something I had not considered though I am surprised that in all my research about the rifle and company I didn’t hear one complaint about this.. though I wouldn’t be surprised if the vast majority of folks shooting this caliber out of a rifle do reload it themselves.
I normally reload but since having kids I stocked up on factory for the few calibres I have that worked (single loaded) to last me several years and now I’m regretting that decision.. I’ve already grabbed the bullets powder primer and dyes for the 500 and I guess I will be back to the drawing board there.
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With ammo this expensive I'm surprised that someone would buy this calibre and not reload for it. I make a point of reloading everything that costs me for than 50c / shot (which is basically everything except 9mm these days, but I reload that too because why not)

unstableryan said:
7 bucks a shot... I'm in the wrong racket.
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It's ok, I'm onto like $1 with reloads, however that is using cheaper bullets (but not cast - that would be super cheap) and not amortizing brass over a number of uses...
 
B said:
I crimp the ever loving hell out of my .454 ammunition to avoid pulling from recoil, and to avoid the problem you are currently having. If you are able to run them through a crimp die it may be all you need.
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The picture in the first post shows the bullet isn't seated deep enough for the case mouth to reach the crimp groove. If they're all like that, the bullet needs to be bumped a little deeper before crimping. There are possible unintended consequences with trying to push the bullet deeper, if there is some degree of crimp present already.
 
Painkillers said:
Well, at least I'd hit it. You can force all the jam you want down the barrel, with 12" MOA, you ain't hittin' sh1t. Oh, and you're welcome btw. You be certain to crimp the ever lovin' out of those factory rounds okay. (another on ignore.)
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Check out the crimps on Hornady LEVERevolution®
 
jethunter said:
The picture in the first post shows the bullet isn't seated deep enough for the case mouth to reach the crimp groove. If they're all like that, the bullet needs to be bumped a little deeper before crimping. There are possible unintended consequences with trying to push the bullet deeper, if there is some degree of crimp present already.
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It reaches the beginning of the cannelure just fine and if the bullets can be pushed in under the circumstances here there will be no problem using a press to do the work and crimping it more.
 
B said:
It reaches the beginning of the cannelure just fine and if the bullets can be pushed in under the circumstances here there will be no problem using a press to do the work and crimping it more.
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Yes, that's what i said. If.
 
RyoTHC said:
Lmao someone’s a sensitive little Nancy.
Ignoring someone because they don’t want to use a 30-30 in northern BC.


Thanks to those who actually contributed.
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Why not, was a pretty common gun and still is to a lesser degree up here. You laugh your ass off at others yet are afraid of the bush with a 3030 in hand
 
RyoTHC said:
I’m really confused as to why Hornadys premium ammo that’s advertised for African dangerous game hunts wouldn’t be crimped or good enough quality.

My mind is blown.
I’ll never buy another Hornady product in my life.

At least I have a bunch of fire fitted 1F brass and other bullets and I’ll do this myself going forward.

Advice taken to crimp the ever loving hell out of the bullets.
And I’ll load and unload them through the mag tube a time or two and confirm the seating depth before heading out hunting if I ever get that far with this rifle.

I just had this rifle on a draw moose hunt for 3 weeks, I am so so thankful now that I didn’t get a shot at a legal bull because who knows what could have happened. Confirming zero and adjusting prior to the hunt I single loaded every shot so, my POI with that mushed bullet could have been very very far from where I expected.
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Have you told Hornady?
 
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