Those Vintage Gems Hiding On Used Gun Racks.

How is a knife without a blade called a knife? I have a pocket tool that looks like a hefty penknife, but has eight small hex-wrenches - is that a 'knife'?

The best that Victorinox can call it is a combination tool.
 
Hey Tacfoley, is there any hope on the horizon for England? It seems like no matter what govt you people elect it's all the same uni-party globalist supporting nonsense..... the rising tension in Europe after a half century of failed integration should give other western countries some insight into the challenges of mixing water and gasoline.... but clearly our "betters" have plans that demand the disintegration and destruction of so called western nations to bring about a new world order.
 
Hey Tacfoley, is there any hope on the horizon for England? It seems like no matter what govt you people elect it's all the same uni-party globalist supporting nonsense..... the rising tension in Europe after a half century of failed integration should give other western countries some insight into the challenges of mixing water and gasoline.... but clearly our "betters" have plans that demand the disintegration and destruction of so called western nations to bring about a new world order.

I guess that by 'England' you mean the United Kingdom?

Having been a soldier for thirty-three years, and seen more than my share of troubles, including the kind where people who look like me, sound like me and have a name like mine are trying to kill me on a daily basis by bullet or bomb -often both - I try and keep my head down and out of any political discussion that is doomed to develop into some kind of a nyaa-nyaa session sooner or later. Suffice it say that my familial connection to Canada make me far more aware than most of the natives over here of the way things are going hack home in Canada, where, seems, things are going to hell in a handcart regarding one of the things closer to my heart than the average lying Brit politician and his or her machinations.

I'm talking about gun ownership, of course.

I've long taken the view that all politicians are bare-faced self-aggrandising hypocrites, if not downright liars, and have developed my world-view on that basis. I'm too old to take any meaningful part in a war, and its a well-known 'fact' that the young will ignore the lessons learned by the old. 'Those who fail to learn the lessons taught by history are doomed to repeat them'.

So please, let's just talk about our guns.
 
I guess that by 'England' you mean the United Kingdom?



So please, let's just talk about our guns.

When i was young we were told these self-serving stories that on the international stage Canada was highly respected as a fair, peace loving nation, as opposed to the americans who were thought to be obnoxious, war-making brutes, and so when we travelled abroad we should be sure to sew a red maple leave on our coats or back packs lest the locals mistake us for americans. Legend had it, we were told, that many americans actually sewed red maple leafs on their backpacks so that they could pass as canucks and get the same preferential treatment we did!

Imagine my shock and disillusionment when i grew up and actually traveled abroad and discovered that: a) most locals didn't even know what canada was; b) if they knew what canada was, they usually thought it was part of the states - after all, the whole continent is called north america, and so all the people on it must be americans, right? C) even after i explained the distinction between canada and america, they didn't care; d) no american ever would ever sew a red maple leaf on their pack! That will never be how any american rolls.

In the same way, it is an unfortunate fact that most canadians, and certainly most americans, do not understand the distinction between names like "england" , "UK" , "britain" or "great britain" . We will largely use those names interchangeably. You can explain the difference if you like, but most here will not care enough to remember. To us, you're all just people from those little islands who talk with accents.

And now have no guns.

Sorry for derailing the thread! I thought your story about the grumpies in the gun shop was great, but it made me sad that a whole way of life has disappeared over there, and that saddness made me worried for the future of my own country.

As for the thread topic, my closest story to a gem in a used gun rack was when i was visiting my brother and stopped in to an odd combo store - a combination gas station, convenience store, and gun shop. Perusing the used gun rack, ever hopeful of finding that gem, i was surprised to find a cool looking lever gun. It looked both old and new at the same time. The store owner told me it was a new ruger made marlin 1895 sbl. I had never heard of the gun before, and actually didn't know anything about all the history with marlin, remington and now ruger, but the shop owner happily filled me all in and told me all the details. The gun intrigued me, but it had some detail i didn't like - i think it may have been a composite stock, whereas i'm loyal to wood - and the price seemed high to me, though later i was to discover, to my regret, that his price was about half of what those hard-to-get-guns were going for, and had i known that, i may have bought it just to resell it and finance the version i wanted!
In any case, the gun made a real impression on me. That night my brother and i watched a great movie called "wind river" , and the lead actor has this lever gun and my brother right away recognised "hey, that's the same gun you were looking at today!". Well, if you've never watched wind river, you should, because it's a great flick, but it also really shows off the marlin 1895, and so naturally that really played up the gun in my mind. The next day while leaving town i took the long way out so i could stop at that gas station again and look some more at that gun. I decided then that i would buy one, but foolishly i thought it would be better to wait till i got home and buy one from my own LGS. So i left that gun at the gas station and went home.

My own LGS said they were out of stock, but was happy to take a deposit and tell me a detailed delivery schedule and what date i could expect my gun to arrive. I waited months and confirmed with them several times that we were on schedule, but when the delivery day came, there was no gun! The owner finally got on the phone and gave me the same detailer delivery schedule and gave me a new delivery date several more months in the future.

This got me suspicious, so i eventually tracked down the number for the main wholesaler in canada that imported the guns and distributed to dealers like my LGS. That rep explained to me that they had received no shipments of the 1895 and didn't know when they would get any. He said any delivery schedule my LGS had given me was a straight up fully imagined lie, as i was supecting.

So i got my deposit refunded and then went about importing the gun myself through - shameless name drop to reward good service - prophet river in alberta. They were able to get the gun to my driveway in about a month overall, and though i paid a good chunk more than i would have in canada, my wife presented the gun to me as an anniversary present so it was all fine in the end.

I think it was about 2 years in total from when i first saw the gun in the gas station to when i finally had my own, but now it continues to be my favourite of all my guns, and is the one i would reach for first in probably most situations.

So, good thing i stopped for gas that day!
 
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I guess that by 'England' you mean the United Kingdom?

Having been a soldier for thirty-three years, and seen more than my share of troubles, including the kind where people who look like me, sound like me and have a name like mine are trying to kill me on a daily basis by bullet or bomb -often both - I try and keep my head down and out of any political discussion that is doomed to develop into some kind of a nyaa-nyaa session sooner or later. Suffice it say that my familial connection to Canada make me far more aware than most of the natives over here of the way things are going hack home in Canada, where, seems, things are going to hell in a handcart regarding one of the things closer to my heart than the average lying Brit politician and his or her machinations.

I'm talking about gun ownership, of course.

I've long taken the view that all politicians are bare-faced self-aggrandising hypocrites, if not downright liars, and have developed my world-view on that basis. I'm too old to take any meaningful part in a war, and its a well-known 'fact' that the young will ignore the lessons learned by the old. 'Those who fail to learn the lessons taught by history are doomed to repeat them'.

So please, let's just talk about our guns.
Sorry about the English error, I was mostly wondering how United the Kingdom was today.

Your jaded view of politicians is not unique and that sentiment is so bad in Canada that people can't even imagine accountability.

On the topic of guns in Canada, it sure looks like it will be an election topic along with the carbon tax, and despite a Liberal controlled senate there is an expectation that Senators support majoirty govt's with mandates that were discussed during an election. We wil have to wait andl see if the Senate is willing to side with the people or their party, but the good news is the tide is turning in Canada and the younger generations are a bit more skeptical of the same old nonsense the media and progressives have been pushing for decades.

Looks like you found a rear sight!
 
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And now have no guns.

Sorry for derailing the thread! I thought your story about the grumpies in the gun shop was great, but it made me sad that a whole way of life has disappeared over there, and that saddness made me worried for the future of my own country.

No guns?

Well, here're the guns I don't have -

Krico Model 650S - .308Win
Swiss K31-actioned 300m match rifle - .308Win - with Schultz & Larsen match barrel
Swiss K31 - 7.5x55
Swiss K11 - ditto
Canadian 3-band Snider - ex-militia
Canadian 2-band Snider - ex-Quebec Citadelle B Battery
1898 c/96 Carl Gustaf - 6.5x55
Winchester Model 1885 - .45-70 Govt
Parker-Hale Musketoon/artillery carbine - .577cal
Pritchett Volunteer rifle - .577cal
Parker-Hale Whitworth - .451cal
Mauser Model B - 7x57 - taken to Rhodesia in 1913 - came back in 1990, and history traced, too. Here's a short video of my Tanzanian buddy shooting it - made a few years back. Shortly after this was made he told me that he'd gone to boarding school in Harare with the grandson of the original settler - small world, eh?
DWM Mauser Boer War carbine 1897 - just three digits away from the example seen on Forgotten Weapons - and I've traced the owner. BTW, he's dead, Jim.
Mauser ES350B - .22cal
Anschutz Model 1407 target rifle - .22cal
BSA International MK2 right-hand - .22ca
Ditto right-hand
BSA Model 2 take-down - unique - .22cal
Walther Sportmodelle 2 - bolt action/semi - .22cal
Walther DSM - .22cal
Ruger Old Army revolver - 44cal
Ruger Super Redhawk revolver - .357Mag/.38Spec

Before 1997 I used to have LOT of handguns, but now I shoot a few of them over in Oregon.

Guns were never a way of life here in UK - no native populations to subjugate, y'see. No 'Wild West' or 'Race to the West' either. No 'Dodge City' or 'Tombstone' or 'Gangs of New York'. Pretty boring really, when you think about it. Just got on with running the largest Empire the World will ever see. And still friends with most of the people who were in it.

As for my funny accent, if we met you'd never know I wasn't a local boy from Northumberland County. Ask anyone from my family who still live there.
 
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First of all, I have to remind folks here that I live in UK. although the rest of my family is back in SE ON. Prior to the cartridge-firing handgun ban here - 1996/7 - after the Dunblane Massacre - we used to do a LOT of police pistol and combat style wheelgun shooting. My handgun of choice for this was my Wilson-worked S&W 686 heavy barrel full-rib with the four position foresight [that I never actually used] - very sweet to shoot, too. I have had it de-activated, so I can remember what a real revolver feels like. Doing all this amount of shooting - 400/500 per week and lot more on comp weekend, meant that I bought a lot of bullets - 5000 a time - as four of us in the club shared the reloading with a spiffy Dillon press.

Our LGS was in Bedford, a mainly target-oriented store whose husband and wife owners were renowned for their collective grumpiness - him in particular. Every time I went there I'd peruse the wall-mounted gun rack for anything of interest, and my eye was always drawn to this old pre-war Mauser single-shot. It was a full-size rifle in every way, comparable to the centre-fire version, but with a nice stock and epic pre-war finish of blessed memory. But it had no rear sight of any kind. What it did have was a pair of 10 inch long dovetail grooves with numbers engraved to the sides - the foresight was hooded. The tag told me that it was £80 - a VERY small amount of money for what seemed to be a quality piece. So, after two or three visits and some head-scratching, and notwithstanding the lack of a rear sight, I approached Mr Grumpy, produced my Firearms Certificate (FAC), on which there were a couple of empty 'slots' for .22cal rifles, and produced the funds.

'I'm sure I'll find a back sight for it', says I, filled with 'buyer's blindness' - some here will understand that....'huh', was all I got by way of response. I ought to have known how long it would take to find one.

As he was writing it out of his register, and into my FAC, Mrs Grumpy looked over his shoulder at me - 'Hah! You finally gave in, eh? Well, I'll just go and find the scope for it.........'

'WHAT SCOPE?' came the strangled holler from Mr Grumpy, looking at here totally horror-struck. 'Well,' she replied, 'back in 1980 or so, when you took it in to sell for that poor old lady whose husband had died, leaving her to deal with his guns, you said that having that old scope sticking out of the rack was just going to get on your nerves, so I took it off and stuck it in a filing cabinet upstairs, out of the way. I'd just about given up any hope of getting rid of the thing, I'll be honest'.

So saying, she clumped upstairs from where shortly after we heard the muffled clang of a metal filing cabinet opening and closing, followed by a return clumping down the old wooden stairs.

'There y'are!' she said proudly, 'I knew we still had it!' 'It' was a near-mint 2.5 power Ajack scope and see-through mounts. A number 4 German reticle completed the as-new glass view.

Mr Grumpy looked at me over his spectacles, and with clenched teeth, muttered 'Didn't YOU do well?' I agreed, resisting the temptation to make some smug wisecrack about the thousands of pounds we'd spent there over the years, and taking possession of my beautiful Mauser ES350B with its equally spiffy and entirely suitable old scope, I walked out of the store a very happy man.

The story of the missing rear sight must await another time - I figure that I've used up all your patience.

Because of some impossible to figure out restriction, I'm unable to post images here, but if anybody cares to help me out with that, we can share them. :)

Trust me, it's really worth the trouble.
Loved the story! Hope you had fun shooting it while you could. Sorry I cannot help with the picture uploading, hopefully someone can.I for one would like to hear the conclusion of the missing rear sight!
 
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