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In the article it is said that over 9000 IWI ARAD rifles are purchased for local response teams.

In another article it is said that the M4s from the US are transitional and ultimately X95 and US made M4s will be completely phased out.

The future of IDF small arm will be based on some sort of M16FOW derivative and produced locally in Israel, and most likely the IWI ARAD will make up a large part of it.

We will see how this will turn out down the road.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hju8hfrat?utm_source=ynetnews.com&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=mail&utm_term=hju8hfrat&utm_content=Article
Following an extensive testing process by the IDF, two of these manufacturers will be awarded the tender. The new rifles will be based on the widely used American M4 and will serve as an advanced version of the Colt M16, featuring various attachments to enhance accuracy and optical capabilities for extended range.As an interim solution, the Tavor rifles will be reassigned to non-infantry units such as armored corps, artillery and potentially engineering. Additionally, due to the wear and tear on existing weapons during the war, the DoPP has placed an order for approximately 20,000 American M4 rifles and an additional 3,000 Tavor rifles.


The Defense Ministry emphasizes that the two Israeli manufacturers who win the tender will have to comply with strict conditions, despite their weapons having already been successfully sold to security units within Israel, including the police and the Shin Bet internal intelligence agency, as well as foreign armed forces.
"The Tavor is based on a bullpup mechanism, which is less common in Western armies, less suitable for operating certain restraints, and has relative disadvantages in combat in closed spaces, as we have seen in the fighting in Gaza," a senior IDF officer leading the military buildup project told Ynet.
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The ambition to rely on indigenous Tavor rifles marks the third attempt by the Israeli military in the past few decades to achieve self-reliance, following the Galil rifles in the 1970s and 1980s and the Tavors introduced in the early 2000s, both of which came short of the desired goals.
"This transition will provide significant maintenance flexibility, reduce the reasons for soldiers to transition from active duty to reserves, establish a standardized supply system, and generate long-term logistical cost savings," the officer explained.
"Our objective is to allocate the new M4 rifles received from the U.S. to Givati and Golani forces this year, enabling them to familiarize themselves with and begin utilizing the same weapon technology that will eventually be manufactured in Israel."
The standard rifles left, along with the M4 rifles gradually phased out by the IDF, will be moved to the army's newly established emergency stockpiles, an uncommon practice for various combat units.
As an example, Home Front Command soldiers can often be seen in city centers equipped with 50+-year-old M16 rifles. The IDF believed this phenomenon would have disappeared by now as it had moved away from the use of "long rifles" nearly twenty years ago.
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greentips said:
https://www.jns.org/97-civilian-defense-squads-in-north-re-equipped/

In the article it is said that over 9000 IWI ARAD rifle are purchased for local response team.

In another article it is said that the M4 from the US is transitional and ultimately X95 and US made M4s will be completely phased out.

The future of IDF small arm will be based on some sort of M16FOW derviative and produced locally in Israel, and most likely the IWI ARAD will made up a large part of it.

We will see how this will turn out down the road.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hju8hfrat?utm_source=ynetnews.com&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=mail&utm_term=hju8hfrat&utm_content=Article
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I find it very surprising to see them say that the Tavor bullpup design has disadvantages in closed spaces. Isn't close quarters the whole point of a bullpup rifle? Less overall length without sacrificing ballistic performance with the longer barrel? Very curious.
 
Their new procurement strategy is interesting - having multiple vendors making similar but not the "same" equipment.

Personally I think this is more complicated that it is needed.
 
Challenge is that intuitively if you're Israel you want a domestic supply of M4s, but US export credits mean the American made variants they have are basically free. I can't see the American M4s every going away completely in this arrangement.

The Arad's you mention are going to non-IDF civilian defense units, but I presume at some point in the future we will see some IWI made M4s rolling out.

Some IDF units still use Tavors, as well as border guards and other LEO.
 
I can see it. While the Tavors OAL is shorter for any given barrel length, they are bulky in every other dimension and weigh significantly more than an AR platform. I can’t see them being as manageable in tight quarters.
I love my Tavors but I have no idea why any military would choose one over the superior and cheaper AR platform rifles.
 
Rankuwa said:
Challenge is that intuitively if you're Israel you want a domestic supply of M4s, but US export credits mean the American made variants they have are basically free. I can't see the American M4s every going away completely in this arrangement.

The Arad's you mention are going to non-IDF civilian defense units, but I presume at some point in the future we will see some IWI made M4s rolling out.

Some IDF units still use Tavors, as well as border guards and other LEO.
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Export credits lol, more like taxpayers

“to February 2022, the U.S. had provided Israel US$150 billion (non-inflation-adjusted) in assistance.”
 
m1008 said:
Export credits lol, more like taxpayers

“to February 2022, the U.S. had provided Israel US$150 billion (non-inflation-adjusted) in assistance.”
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Whoa, you mean Uncle Sam has a long arm and deep pockets? So shocking. Also irrelevant to the discussion but I'm happy you got that off your chest.
 
Shazam said:
Are there specs on the IWI Arad? FA M4?
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I have been searching up and down , couldn't find any. I guess they only show it in defence trade shows.

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But looking a the rifle, looks like it has a barrel locking mechanism similar to X95, a turnable gas regulator likely a short stroke push rod that spits out throug the front. Looks like it has a steel insert at the cam pin recess.

News is that the Argentinians are looking at ARAD 7 ( arad in 7.62 ) to replace FAL.

https://www.defensa.com/peru/asi-sera-coproduccion-fusil-asalto-arad-7-62-x-51-mm-peru
 
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Longarm9 said:
I find it very surprising to see them say that the Tavor bullpup design has disadvantages in closed spaces. Isn't close quarters the whole point of a bullpup rifle? Less overall length without sacrificing ballistic performance with the longer barrel? Very curious.
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I suspect it has to do with switching hands from strong side - pretty much a problem with any bullpup system.
 
Lee Enfield said:
I suspect it has to do with switching hands from strong side - pretty much a problem with any bullpup system.
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I really doubt it has anything to do with the usual instagram commando complaints about bullpups and everything about economy. Until recently, the brigades equipped with the X95 were still happily making large purchases. The reality is particulars in small arms are almost irrelevant. You need something that slings 5.56 reasonably reliably and can take an optic and accesories. If you can get one cheaper than the other because the patents expired decades ago, and use the saved cash to buy something that actually matters like a few more guided missiles, then that's what they're going to do.

I would personally choose the X95 over an AR - and did, I sold my AR and my myriad of uppers long before the bans came about. But a rifle is the most important system available to me as a private individual, and so my decision making reflects that. A national military has much different spending priorities. If, for example, there are worries that foreign military aid might get turned down or shut off and you're going to have to reasses how to reallocate resources, a premium infantry rifle is going to be the first thing on the chopping block.
 
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I'm willing to bet this is just politicking. However, if there is a confined space "problem", it may be AD into oneself or a friendly? Everyone stacked up and a gunfight erupts, absolute chaos in the blink of an eye. I can foresee someone getting in the way.
 
Shazam said:
I have to admit the 7,62 looks good as well. View attachment 831047
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Word is that the ARAD 7 is actually more like an AR18 in the inside - Judging by the receiver geometry looks like a rectangular BGC sliding through an extrusion tube like many of the newer guns.

So back in 2023 September Peru struck a deal to get ToT of ARAD 7. So this is definitely a Pre-2023 December design.
 
If there’s a market in Canada (non AR pattern rifle) and an importer there might be a bright star in the 7.62 SA choices here. They are piss poor at the moment.
 
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