M10X Report 2,000+ Rounds

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BLUF: is this the 7.62x39MM rifle we all waited for? For me a BIG YES.

Background:
So over a year ago, I was able to get time behind an M10X Gen 2+ rifle. Why Gen 2+? The ejector spring and gas plug were still in their trial stages and were swapped 800 rounds into my rifle with a new version. The handguard is also the short one, not the Gen 3 one (and yes, I will swap handguards). I did an initial review on my rifle and I was surprised how smooth it ran and how well it chugged through all the ammo I threw at it. Over the last year, the M10X has travelled many kilometers, partaken in various shooting competitions, and was put to work in harsh conditions.

Current State of Affairs:
Today, I passed 2,000rds (on a conservative estimate - yes we all tend to exaggerate when we go to the range/ train with the rifle). I am still baffled at the simplicity of the design and reliability of the platform. At first, I was wondering if I can make it that far with the rifle, fearing that it might be a lemon after reading all the reviews but now I can say confidently this gun is a fantastic firearm.

Strengths:
The strength of the platform lies within its durability and reliability. The vast majority of the ammo was whatever I could get at the local gun stores. I did not pay close attention to the ammo types nor the magazines I ran through it. The rifle performed over and over again. I also did not clean it for 1,000 rounds and did not have any malfunctions. All I did was close the gas ports by rotating the gas plug and it kept on chugging (I bet my M10X still hates me for it). I eventually did clean it and was surprised how much smoother it ran afterwards.

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Mags:
My M10X loves the PMAGs and the Bakelite mags. Both in pinned and unpinned configuration. Bulgarian steel mags are also a big success, however cheap polymer mags I played with were hit or miss.

Accuracy:
With my M10X I got an average accuracy of 3-4 MOA out of it with standard ammo. However, if I pushed it hard after the break-in period (lasted 400ish rounds for me) and I used 124gr GECO ammo, I got around 2 MOA out of it. That is by far better than a Type 81 (or any AK to be honest).

Weaknesses:
The number one weakness I found was with the cheapest ammo. The accuracy was not great at all (sub 5 MOA). The second weakness was the incorrectly pinned mags I was given to test. If they were pinned too tight then it would not feed. End of story.

Number of Malfunctions:
As far as I can remember I had 15 FTE and 10 FTF malfunctions on my gun. I would attribute most FTF to the mag situation. Some FTE were due to ammo, others I do not know. I also had a few light primer strikes when I first started playing with the gun. Most common would they happen with cheap Chinese surplus ammo.

Summarizing:
I can highly recommend this firearm for anybody that wants to have a reliable and sturdy firearm. Yes, I know they got a bad reputation in Canada but with Calgary Shooting Centre doing the repair and upgrades, and M+M finally having figured out their act, it is a reliable and good platform. With the Gen 3 internal parts in mine (and Gen 2 body) I enjoy this rifle more than most other firearms I played with in the 7.62x39 calibre. Yes, the 7.62x39 calibre is not the most accurate to begin with but the M10X gets the best out of the cartridge, for me with GECO ammo.

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15 FTE is absolutely unacceptable in 2000 rounds. "Most common would happen with cheap chinese surplus rounds" that every other decent rifle has zero issues with? Why can a cheap ak or type 81 cycle cheap ammo but not a rifle double or triple the price? Sounds unfortunately like they still have not solved the issues. If someone is making a "not an AK" type rifle it absolutely must work with surplus steel ammo or it is pointless to the bulk of the demographic interested in semi auto ak type guns. Just reality. If i want an accurate 7.62x39 i have a cz bolt gun that shoots that "cheap chinese ammo" into 2 MOA holes consistently, and even ejects them properly too (a gun working properly, what a luxury). Id take 5 moa groups if the m10x was just reliable already with the cheap ammo every other gun runs fine. Once it is proven to actually work i will be the first in line to re buy one.
 
I'm still wondering if the rifle is truly capable of 1 MOA. There's a few reviews when the rifle was launched toting a 1 MOA accuracy potential with single stack mags, but I've never actually seen physical evidence of that. I wonder if you can get your hands on a single stack mag and really push it to see if its capable of a minute.

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/range-review-m-m-industries-m10x/

I also think maybe a lot of the FTF woes could be addressed with single stack mags as well, if the pinned mags were at fault here. I think CSC taking over puts a lot of confidence into these.

In regards to cheap chinese surplus - honestly, I'm more inclined to believe OP and M+M here. I've never shot surplus corrosive but I do run into problems from time to time with red box in my T81 and with surplus 5.56 I get suboptimal results in my 556 guns. If only we had Barnaul, that's ammo that's a great buy but also you know if something's wrong, it's likely the gun.
 
apexanimal said:
15 FTE is absolutely unacceptable in 2000 rounds. "Most common would happen with cheap chinese surplus rounds" that every other decent rifle has zero issues with? Why can a cheap ak or type 81 cycle cheap ammo but not a rifle double or triple the price? Sounds unfortunately like they still have not solved the issues. If someone is making a "not an AK" type rifle it absolutely must work with surplus steel ammo or it is pointless to the bulk of the demographic interested in semi auto ak type guns. Just reality. If i want an accurate 7.62x39 i have a cz bolt gun that shoots that "cheap chinese ammo" into 2 MOA holes consistently, and even ejects them properly too (a gun working properly, what a luxury). Id take 5 moa groups if the m10x was just reliable already with the cheap ammo every other gun runs fine. Once it is proven to actually work i will be the first in line to re buy one.
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15 FTE is absolutely unacceptable? Well if you shoot a firearm that gets abused by inconsistent ammo and badly pinned mags, this can happen. Happens with most other guns too. If I consider the 15 FTE and 10 FTF of a lifespan of 2,000rds that is a failure rate of 1.25%. I can live with that. It happens with other guns too, believe it or not (as a side note just look at all the 180 clones floating around and their malfunction rate).

As somebody who has played with and shot AKs a lot I can say that even AKs have malfunctions, especially if they are overgassed. Besides, the Type 81 is not perfect either, remember the problems with the first batches that had sight alignment issues? Not to mention that Type 81s come from China - I don't need to support Chinese manufacturing.

Comparing the M10X to a bolt gun is like comparing watermelons to burgers. Two different things for 2 different applications/ uses. It is obvious that MOST bolt guns run more reliable than semi-automatic firearms just because the bolt design has less of moving parts and the action itself is kept simpler.

Anyhow, thank you for your valuable comment.
 
wa000 said:
I'm still wondering if the rifle is truly capable of 1 MOA. There's a few reviews when the rifle was launched toting a 1 MOA accuracy potential with single stack mags, but I've never actually seen physical evidence of that. I wonder if you can get your hands on a single stack mag and really push it to see if its capable of a minute.

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/range-review-m-m-industries-m10x/

I also think maybe a lot of the FTF woes could be addressed with single stack mags as well, if the pinned mags were at fault here. I think CSC taking over puts a lot of confidence into these.

In regards to cheap chinese surplus - honestly, I'm more inclined to believe OP and M+M here. I've never shot surplus corrosive but I do run into problems from time to time with red box in my T81 and with surplus 5.56 I get suboptimal results in my 556 guns. If only we had Barnaul, that's ammo that's a great buy but also you know if something's wrong, it's likely the gun.
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Mhmm... single stack mags for he M10X/ AK? Do they even exist? If so, I'll have to give it a try.

I need to find the perfect ammo for 1 MOA, so far I'm stuck at 2. Maybe there is some fancy performance round that I'm oblivious too.
 
I wish this thread was around about a month ago. I had a Gen 2 short handguard and was getting FTE 1 every 10 rounds at best. Even after sending back to NS it came back with the same issues.

I ended up losing a $1000 selling it on ####### because it wouldn’t sell. Ended up getting a Bren 2 and could not be happier.
 
selous_scout said:
15 FTE is absolutely unacceptable? Well if you shoot a firearm that gets abused by inconsistent ammo and badly pinned mags, this can happen. Happens with most other guns too. If I consider the 15 FTE and 10 FTF of a lifespan of 2,000rds that is a failure rate of 1.25%. I can live with that. It happens with other guns too, believe it or not (as a side note just look at all the 180 clones floating around and their malfunction rate).

As somebody who has played with and shot AKs a lot I can say that even AKs have malfunctions, especially if they are overgassed. Besides, the Type 81 is not perfect either, remember the problems with the first batches that had sight alignment issues? Not to mention that Type 81s come from China - I don't need to support Chinese manufacturing.

Comparing the M10X to a bolt gun is like comparing watermelons to burgers. Two different things for 2 different applications/ uses. It is obvious that MOST bolt guns run more reliable than semi-automatic firearms just because the bolt design has less of moving parts and the action itself is kept simpler.

Anyhow, thank you for your valuable comment.
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Yes, a failure rate of 1.25% on any firearm is absolutely unacceptable. To suggest otherwise is pure cope. Telling someone theyll have at least one guaranteed FTE during a match or god forbid in a gunfight but that's ok is ridiculous lol. I get youre very excited about this gun and like it, thats cool, but dont say it's reliability is its strong suit thats just simply not true in your case. I hope your rifle/mags were truly unique in this issue and that the true gen 3s will be 100% reliable with standard steel ammo everyone is going to be shooting through them. Like i said, i want this platform to work and when it does i will 100% buy another one, i have no bias except i demand reliability.
 
selous_scout said:
BLUF: is this the 7.62x39MM rifle we all waited for? For me a BIG YES.

Background:
So over a year ago, I was able to get time behind an M10X Gen 2+ rifle. Why Gen 2+? The ejector spring and gas plug were still in their trial stages and were swapped 800 rounds into my rifle with a new version. The handguard is also the short one, not the Gen 3 one (and yes, I will swap handguards). I did an initial review on my rifle and I was surprised how smooth it ran and how well it chugged through all the ammo I threw at it. Over the last year, the M10X has travelled many kilometers, partaken in various shooting competitions, and was put to work in harsh conditions.

Current State of Affairs:
Today, I passed 2,000rds (on a conservative estimate - yes we all tend to exaggerate when we go to the range/ train with the rifle). I am still baffled at the simplicity of the design and reliability of the platform. At first, I was wondering if I can make it that far with the rifle, fearing that it might be a lemon after reading all the reviews but now I can say confidently this gun is a fantastic firearm.

Strengths:
The strength of the platform lies within its durability and reliability. The vast majority of the ammo was whatever I could get at the local gun stores. I did not pay close attention to the ammo types nor the magazines I ran through it. The rifle performed over and over again. I also did not clean it for 1,000 rounds and did not have any malfunctions. All I did was close the gas ports by rotating the gas plug and it kept on chugging (I bet my M10X still hates me for it). I eventually did clean it and was surprised how much smoother it ran afterwards.



Mags:
My M10X loves the PMAGs and the Bakelite mags. Both in pinned and unpinned configuration. Bulgarian steel mags are also a big success, however cheap polymer mags I played with were hit or miss.

Accuracy:
With my M10X I got an average accuracy of 3-4 MOA out of it with standard ammo. However, if I pushed it hard after the break-in period (lasted 400ish rounds for me) and I used 124gr GECO ammo, I got around 2 MOA out of it. That is by far better than a Type 81 (or any AK to be honest).

Weaknesses:
The number one weakness I found was with the cheapest ammo. The accuracy was not great at all (sub 5 MOA). The second weakness was the incorrectly pinned mags I was given to test. If they were pinned too tight then it would not feed. End of story.

Number of Malfunctions:
As far as I can remember I had 15 FTE and 10 FTF malfunctions on my gun. I would attribute most FTF to the mag situation. Some FTE were due to ammo, others I do not know. I also had a few light primer strikes when I first started playing with the gun. Most common would they happen with cheap Chinese surplus ammo.

Summarizing:
I can highly recommend this firearm for anybody that wants to have a reliable and sturdy firearm. Yes, I know they got a bad reputation in Canada but with Calgary Shooting Centre doing the repair and upgrades, and M+M finally having figured out their act, it is a reliable and good platform. With the Gen 3 internal parts in mine (and Gen 2 body) I enjoy this rifle more than most other firearms I played with in the 7.62x39 calibre. Yes, the 7.62x39 calibre is not the most accurate to begin with but the M10X gets the best out of the cartridge, for me with GECO ammo.
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Your very own words confirm that the firearm is not reliable and has major accuracy issues, but you then claim it is is a "reliable and sturdy firearm.".

Hyping up a blatantly unreliable and inaccurate firearm , as well as the one business that is the major center for handling these firearms and accessories...

Your prior review and how you conduct yourself really brings into question any possible involvement with M&M Industries.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/m10x-2023-version.2396160/

I'll just say it in plain English so there are no misinterpretations, FFS CAN ANYONE MAKE A HONEST REVIEW WITHOUT BEING A BLATANTLY OBVIOUS SHILL?
 
selous_scout said:
Mhmm... single stack mags for he M10X/ AK? Do they even exist? If so, I'll have to give it a try.

I need to find the perfect ammo for 1 MOA, so far I'm stuck at 2. Maybe there is some fancy performance round that I'm oblivious too.
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Zastava PAP 10 rounders I reckon. Would have to go through the specialty importers though, like IRG or A-Z. Or try to find one domestically. Would just be nice to see. I also think you can hand-chamber it to achieve the same effect, but I dunno.

GECO is decent stuff but I think there are specialty match loads for x39, albeit rare. Hornady Black comes to mind.

Right now the rifles CSC sells are all upgraded internals right?
 
Grove said:
Your very own words confirm that the firearm is not reliable and has major accuracy issues, but you then claim it is is a "reliable and sturdy firearm.".

Hyping up a blatantly unreliable and inaccurate firearm , as well as the one business that is the major center for handling these firearms and accessories...

Your prior review and how you conduct yourself really brings into question any possible involvement with M&M Industries.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/m10x-2023-version.2396160/

I'll just say it in plain English so there are no misinterpretations, FFS CAN ANYONE MAKE A HONEST REVIEW WITHOUT BEING A BLATANTLY OBVIOUS SHILL?
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Myself, bfiles, and Borak5 (?) all have rifles that run reliably.

I’m actually thinking of picking up a Gen 3 as mine is a 2+

I’m not sure this gentleman is a blatantly and obvious shill, as I’ve not seen any evidence myself that he is one.

What do you have to support your claim, besides a review where he reports 25 malfunctions?
 
I tend to stack Norinco red box non-corrosive - any reports on how that cycles in the m10x? Can live with 3-4 moa groups if its reliable.
 
JeffMan said:
Myself, bfiles, and Borak5 (?) all have rifles that run reliably.

I’m actually thinking of picking up a Gen 3 as mine is a 2+
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Do they run with surplus? Im very interested in this platform still after owning several gen 1s and 2s. If the gen 2+ or 3 100% function with surplus i will buy one. Im giving OPs rifle the benefit of the doubt if its mag related or whatever, i am open and hope to be shown these rifles are fixed. I have no dogma with firearms, i will buy anything that works regardless of their past.
 
Rankuwa said:
I tend to stack Norinco red box non-corrosive - any reports on how that cycles in the m10x? Can live with 3-4 moa groups if its reliable.
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That’s exactly the ammo my M10x liked best I had the fewest FTE when using that ammo. I wasn’t getting anywhere near 4 MOA with it though. I would never recommend the M10x to anyone, absolutely the worst firearm I’ve ever owned.
 
apexanimal said:
Do they run with surplus? Im very interested in this platform still after owning several gen 1s and 2s. If the gen 2+ or 3 100% function with surplus i will buy one. Im giving OPs rifle the benefit of the doubt if its mag related or whatever, i am open and hope to be shown these rifles are fixed. I have no dogma with firearms, i will buy anything that works regardless of their past.
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My gen 3 comes next week. I’m going to test it with Chinese, Czech surplus & Barnaul. I’ll probably do a little write up on here.
 
iheartgunz said:
That’s exactly the ammo my M10x liked best I had the fewest FTE when using that ammo. I wasn’t getting anywhere near 4 MOA with it though. I would never recommend the M10x to anyone, absolutely the worst firearm I’ve ever owned.
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This is exactly how my Gen 1 and Gen 2 short handguard rifles were.
The Gen 3 has been absolutely stellar for me
 
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