which Muzzleloader will do
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bdft
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Well, if you can't afford a TC, you can't afford much of a muzzleloader. 200 yds is pretty unrealistic too. A used TC or the equivalent will run you 400.00 or so and shoot up to 100 yds, depending on the operator. Unless you're looking for an inline, in that case, I can't help you.
I have an old Traditions deer hunter and a Remington 700ML. Both are blued steel. I have hit a deer at 200 yards but had to follow up and finish it. they are both capable of 200 yards, but conditions and operator are critical. 100 yards is much more realistic with any muzzle loader in my opinion. They will all rust if not cleaned properly and completely. The only only exception is the Savage which claims to be smokeless compatible. It is the residue of the black powder or Pyrodex which causes rusting because it absorbs moisture. Even a stainless will rust to a point if not taken care of, it just takes longer. Just my .02.
id stay away from the savage that takes smokeless. to much room for error there. and an error there could leave you seriusly injured or dead. blackpowder is much safer any eccess powder burns out the end of the barrel. to much smokeless and the gun goes kablooie.
as others have stated 200 yards is possable. but its more the shooter than the gun that makes it possable. if your a crap shot, then 200 yards just aint gonna happen.
as others have stated 200 yards is possable. but its more the shooter than the gun that makes it possable. if your a crap shot, then 200 yards just aint gonna happen.
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Just curious as to why? My muzzleloaders all shoot MOA or sub MOA and zeroed at 200 yards, they give me a hold on hair range of 0-225 yards. With 150 grain loads of powder and the proper bullet and a good scope, there's no reason that in capable hands that a muzzleloader will not shoot 200 yards very ethically.
its the "in capeable hands" part thats the problem. a lot of people feel that a muzzy should shoot the same as a normal rifle. they dont, there is a slight lag between the trigger pull and the gun going bang, slower bullet gives time for the animal to flinch and start to run making a shot that would have been a heart shot be a gut shot. or even an upper lung shot from a dropping deer.
bdft
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
If you have a muzzleloader that is effective at 200 yds, the bullet is going to arrive before the animal hears anything. The bullet is going to be traveling faster than the speed of sound. About 1100 ft/sec.
Boy that's not my experience...mine shoot indentical to a rifle...within their ballistic envelop of course. We are talking miiliseconds of difference in the time it takes a bullet to travel 200 yards from a rifle to muzzleloader...not sure how that equates to wounded animals. I'm not sure what the animal would flinch at......bullet is there long before he hears the hammer drop or the powder go bang.
The lag time you speak of definitely applies to flintlocks but not modern in-lines.
depends o the conditions. maybe not inlines with a new 209 primer. but i know there is a bit more of a lag in me firing my caplock when its cold snowing or wet out as to when its hot and dry.
but im a traditional muzzle loader the only inline id concider is the electronic one and thats for the novlty of it over anything else (as id like to own the other couple electronic rifles out there the 220 swift, and the .22)
(the caplock i have likley shoots no different from a 45-70 so mine is quite accurate at 200 yards)
but im a traditional muzzle loader the only inline id concider is the electronic one and thats for the novlty of it over anything else (as id like to own the other couple electronic rifles out there the 220 swift, and the .22)
(the caplock i have likley shoots no different from a 45-70 so mine is quite accurate at 200 yards)
i have never had any lag in a modern inline muzzleloader. You squeeze the trigger and it goes off.I have had that problem with flintlock and even one uisng a percussion cap but never in one that is using a 209 primer. The charge is ignited faster in the guns suing pellets casue like in a rifle cartridge there is a jet of flame into the chagre. With the hole in the middle of the pryodex pellets you get a more uniform burning of the powder since it is consumed from both the back and from the inside.
I've been shooting caplocks for the better part of 20 years and I've had misfires and hangfires but I've never owned a caplock that had a significant enough lag time to allow an animal to run away. My experience is when caplocks go bang right away, things die and when they don't, things run away and I curse regardless of the distance they were away.
With that said, my caplocks are 150 yard guns tops. When we start talking 200 yard shots.....it's inlines for me.
Flintlocks if loaded properly and a good quality weapon their is no "LAG" in time for ignition/discharging. My Austin & Hallock fires as fast as a cap and ball, so does my Pedersoli copy of the Shortland Brownbess.
