22lr rifle overall length (vz61 22lr)

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Hi guys hoping to get some help thinking about a project I have a vz61 22lr skorpion restricted. If I replaced the wire stock woth a fixed stock the overall length would be only 22 or so inch which is under the 26 inch requirement. But since it is a fixed stock does the 26inch overall length still need to be met. Examples are mares leg oal 24 inch and tge s211 over under shotgun oal is 23 inch both have fixed stocks.

Also there seems to be a frt entry of a non restricted vz61 in 22lr with 115mm barrel and nonrestricted status145651 - 17.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
You took and passed the PAL course didn't you? The answers to you questions are exceedingly basic and would have been covered in the course.

What's the difference between a SEMI-AUTO rifle and a LEVER ACTION or a BREAK ACTION?

You have instant access to all the accumulated knowledge the human race has ever acquired and you need to ask a basic question. you should already know the answer to or that you could find out in about 1/10 of a second by a google search. I seriously fear for the human race.
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Your answer makes no sense. And has nothing to back it up. His questions are valid. And with validity. No need to be a smart a$$ know it all d!ck that contributes 0 to the thread.
I hope this thread picks up some traction as I am curious too.
 
dutchm0n said:
Hi guys hoping to get some help thinking about a project I have a vz61 22lr skorpion restricted. If I replaced the wire stock woth a fixed stock the overall length would be only 22 or so inch which is under the 26 inch requirement. But since it is a fixed stock does the 26inch overall length still need to be met. Examples are mares leg oal 24 inch and tge s211 over under shotgun oal is 23 inch both have fixed stocks.

Also there seems to be a frt entry of a non restricted vz61 in 22lr with 115mm barrel and nonrestricted status145651 - 17.
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The quick answer is that it would still be restricted.

The rule states that a semi-auto rimfire rifle needs to be AT LEAST 26" in overall length while still being able to fire to be NR. So if it folds or collapses down to anything less than 26" and is still able to fire, it would fall under the restricted classification. Same goes for if it doesn't fold or anything else but still remains under the 26" OAL, it would still be a restricted rifle.
 
Your comparing a manually operated rimfire mares leg leg with a semi auto rimfire

Same as comparing pumpkins and goldfish, not the same thing.

OAL on a NR semi auto is 26" minimum.

You can arrive at the 26" with a 4" factory made BBL or a 2" as long as OAL is a fixed permanent 26"

Same as all the "custom built" ruger 10-22 rifles.
Factory barrels of all sizes but ALWAYS 26" or longer.
 
Thanks for the input. My bad for comparing manual operated to a semi auto rimfire for over all length. I though they had the same requirements for non restricted. So as long as I achieve over all length of 26 inch and greater for rimfire semi auto it will be non restricted. I'll see what I can come up with for a design for a fixed stock adapter for vz61.
 
By the letter of the law I don't see any distinction between semi auto and manual action rimfire. That distinction only exists for centerfire firearms.

In theory any fixed stock rimfire rifle with a barrel length of 106mm or more could be non restricted.

Now. You would have to convince the RCMP of this to remove the restricted classification, and once you had the R off and went shooting outside of an approved range you might raise some pretty serious eyebrows since the skorp has only ever been sold as R, but in theory it could be done.
 
For rimfire NR semi vs manual action makes no difference, only centerfire distinguishes between the two.
What I don't get is how can we buy NR Mares Leg but can't build something sub 26" also non folding.
What about a short barreled shotgun, pistol grip only, can that be NR under 26"? I've been told yes but also told no.
 
dutchm0n said:
Hi guys hoping to get some help thinking about a project I have a vz61 22lr skorpion restricted. If I replaced the wire stock woth a fixed stock the overall length would be only 22 or so inch which is under the 26 inch requirement. But since it is a fixed stock does the 26inch overall length still need to be met. Examples are mares leg oal 24 inch and tge s211 over under shotgun oal is 23 inch both have fixed stocks.

Also there seems to be a frt entry of a non restricted vz61 in 22lr with 115mm barrel and nonrestricted status145651 - 17.
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Sec. 84 CCC Restricted: (c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise.
You have a fixed stock so, it's not folding, telescoping or otherwise. You are fine.
 
Changing features of the rifle doesn't change what the model/serial is registered as. Changing oal doesn't change the gun. And I highly doubt the governing bodies will see it any different ever.
 
u could bring it to a gun store thats a firearms verifier and then RCMP will tell you if its able to be deregistered/changed to non-restricted. Id be happy to see your designed for the fixed stock adapter, best of luck. Im sure id pick one off of you if your able to get it NR.
 
I'll keep everyone posted it'll take some time to make but I have a few ideas in mind, also that was my under standing as well non telescoping non folding that reduce the length under 660mm is restricted, and having a fixed stock it can be under 26" example mares leg as long as it's a fixed stock. I'll make 2 versions one that will push it past the 660mm (26") requirement and one that is less then and see what one gets approval. Also there is a frt entry with short barrel and non restricted status 145651 - 17.

I am doing this on the forum so that we can brain storm some ideas and that there will be a guild fo future use.

I'll update
 
uAJollyRogering said:
By the letter of the law I don't see any distinction between semi auto and manual action rimfire. That distinction only exists for centerfire firearms.

In theory any fixed stock rimfire rifle with a barrel length of 106mm or more could be non restricted.
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I've never seen a NR Ruger 10-22 shorter than 26".
The most commonly available most modified rimfire available with 8" barrels, 10", 12" and others.
Always a barrel and stock combo to equal 26" or more.

Please provide an example of a NR rimfire semi auto less than 26" OAL
 
FatCatsDad said:
I've never seen a NR Ruger 10-22 shorter than 26".
The most commonly available most modified rimfire available with 8" barrels, 10", 12" and others.
Always a barrel and stock combo to equal 26" or more.

Please provide an example of a NR rimfire semi auto less than 26" OAL
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Don't have one, all I'm saying is the same rules that allow for the Mare's leg and the super short KSG would also apply to any semi auto 22 by the letter of the law.

as far as i know there is no current example of such a rifle, but by the letter of the law, and based on precedent set by manual actions, there is no reason that it wouldn't be legal.
 
It does matter it if comes from the manufacture there are no restrictions it’s when it is altered
Yes people that take the pal coarse should be able read the definitions in the firearms act which explains it very clearly . Any thing after that is some ones misconstrued ideas
 
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