I'm actually pretty good at math, had to take calculus for my degree. Not sure what Ozs and lbs has to do with bullet drop though...
270 win vs. 270 wsm
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coleman1495
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I’d take the 270 win. IMO having a case as large as a WSM is a waste if you can’t use the heavy bullets.
If you are really looking for increased performance go with the 7 WSM. That will allow you to fire the heavy for caliber bullets and squeeze the most performance possible out of that fat case.
If you are really looking for increased performance go with the 7 WSM. That will allow you to fire the heavy for caliber bullets and squeeze the most performance possible out of that fat case.
7PRC is the better option if you want to shoot heavy bullets. 7WSM is not well suited to the super long high BC bullets available today.
7 wsm with a fast twist barrel in an intermediate or long action would work just fine. - dan
Sure it would. But then you're basically just building a 7PRC the expensive way.
Depends what you already have for parts. - dan
Much BETTER WIDER bullet selection in 7mm diameter
RJI thought it was a bit early to be into the sauce... lolSorrymixed you up with someone else My apologies
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pete dobinson
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With 68 grains of RL 26 and 168 gr nosler longrange accubonds I was getting 3040 fps with my kimber montana 7 wsm. The rifle bare weighs 6lb 3oz. The barrel is a 9 twist I believe. 69 grains I got just over 3100 fps, however I got a sticky extraction. This is from a factory 24" barrel, short action. There's plenty of powder space even with a short action. I'm referring to a hunting rifle not a target rifle.
Back to the OP's question...
I have both the 270 Win and WSM, and have owned the Wby. I like them all! (Although the Wby can be a little hard on meat on deer within 200 yards due to its extra velocity)
For a lightweight hunting rifle, the short action WSM may net a lighter hunting rifle due to the short action...and Browning/Winchester stuck to 23" barrels as a compromise for weight and velocity. Personally, I would prefer the 24" barrel in either the Win or WSM. If weight is a concern, go with a carbon fibre barrel. Wilson makes a slim profile to match steel barrel contours, and can save a little more weight (so far the one I have is shooting fine in another caliber).
The Win will feed smoother than the WSM due to cartridge profile. There were feeding issues in the first WSM rifles, even for Browning/Winchester. The cure was carving a slot in the follower and changing the feeding profile in the action to accommodate the short fat case. I haven't experienced any feeding issues in WS rifles owned since this was remedied, regardless of make (Remington, Winchester, Browning, Sako).
Performance: I have always compromised with .277 caliber bullets by going with the 140 gr bullets - velocity and energy - as I hunt antelope to elk with this caliber.
The Win starts with 2950 fps and 2705 ft.lbs of energy, zeroed for 200 yards, it still has 2120 fps and 1397 ft.lbs of energy during deer season at my elevation and temperature, and has dropped 38.5" @ 500 yards.
The WSM starts with 3100 fps and 2987 ft.lbs. of energy, zeroed for 200 yards, it still has 2188 fps and 1498 ft.lbs. of energy and has dropped 35.2" @ 500 yards.
Most animals are not going to notice this difference at 500 yards, should you need to reach out that far.
For elk though, I prefer the edge, as they are more tenacious of life than sheep/goat/deer/moose, and have denser bone, should that shot encounter heavier bone. But this is just my preference.
Ammo/component availability: The Win will be more available and better priced...because it has been around longer and there are more out there using it. Your priority or need here will be whether you handload or not, and how much you put on the value of your ammo. After all, it is still the least expensive component of your hunt! Rifles, scopes, trips, vehicles, accommodations, etc. are all expensive now, and the days of $20/box for ammo are long gone. Is all of your investment on your hunt worth $2/shot, or $8/shot to get your target animal and put meat in the freezer?
In the end, only you can decide your priorities, budget, desire, etc.
Hope you are happy with whichever you choose and that you enjoy hunting with it for years to come!
I have both the 270 Win and WSM, and have owned the Wby. I like them all! (Although the Wby can be a little hard on meat on deer within 200 yards due to its extra velocity)
For a lightweight hunting rifle, the short action WSM may net a lighter hunting rifle due to the short action...and Browning/Winchester stuck to 23" barrels as a compromise for weight and velocity. Personally, I would prefer the 24" barrel in either the Win or WSM. If weight is a concern, go with a carbon fibre barrel. Wilson makes a slim profile to match steel barrel contours, and can save a little more weight (so far the one I have is shooting fine in another caliber).
The Win will feed smoother than the WSM due to cartridge profile. There were feeding issues in the first WSM rifles, even for Browning/Winchester. The cure was carving a slot in the follower and changing the feeding profile in the action to accommodate the short fat case. I haven't experienced any feeding issues in WS rifles owned since this was remedied, regardless of make (Remington, Winchester, Browning, Sako).
Performance: I have always compromised with .277 caliber bullets by going with the 140 gr bullets - velocity and energy - as I hunt antelope to elk with this caliber.
The Win starts with 2950 fps and 2705 ft.lbs of energy, zeroed for 200 yards, it still has 2120 fps and 1397 ft.lbs of energy during deer season at my elevation and temperature, and has dropped 38.5" @ 500 yards.
The WSM starts with 3100 fps and 2987 ft.lbs. of energy, zeroed for 200 yards, it still has 2188 fps and 1498 ft.lbs. of energy and has dropped 35.2" @ 500 yards.
Most animals are not going to notice this difference at 500 yards, should you need to reach out that far.
For elk though, I prefer the edge, as they are more tenacious of life than sheep/goat/deer/moose, and have denser bone, should that shot encounter heavier bone. But this is just my preference.
Ammo/component availability: The Win will be more available and better priced...because it has been around longer and there are more out there using it. Your priority or need here will be whether you handload or not, and how much you put on the value of your ammo. After all, it is still the least expensive component of your hunt! Rifles, scopes, trips, vehicles, accommodations, etc. are all expensive now, and the days of $20/box for ammo are long gone. Is all of your investment on your hunt worth $2/shot, or $8/shot to get your target animal and put meat in the freezer?
In the end, only you can decide your priorities, budget, desire, etc.
Hope you are happy with whichever you choose and that you enjoy hunting with it for years to come!
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I’m suprised that until recently manufacturers haven’t put more effort into better projectiles for the .277Cal given its overall popularity. Guess thats what happens when stuff like the newer PRCs have come along…
I’m half tempted to build out a modern rendition of JOCs fav cartridge in a LW/Mtn/BackCountry config with a faster twist to see what all the fuss is about.
But…at that point, I’d be entering into the WSM or Wby versions already available in factory config in terms of speed/trajectory and beyond the custom build aspect what’s the point? I have 30Cals in the stable that cover range, thump and versatility already…
As plain jane/vanilla the 270Win is, it’s proven effective for the most common/typical NA hunt scenarios.
For those unsure or questioning the 270W of its capabilities (is it enough?) or wanting more oomph, do yourself a favour and just jump up to a .30Cal (308/30-06 or 300 something) and call it a day.
I’m half tempted to build out a modern rendition of JOCs fav cartridge in a LW/Mtn/BackCountry config with a faster twist to see what all the fuss is about.
But…at that point, I’d be entering into the WSM or Wby versions already available in factory config in terms of speed/trajectory and beyond the custom build aspect what’s the point? I have 30Cals in the stable that cover range, thump and versatility already…
As plain jane/vanilla the 270Win is, it’s proven effective for the most common/typical NA hunt scenarios.
For those unsure or questioning the 270W of its capabilities (is it enough?) or wanting more oomph, do yourself a favour and just jump up to a .30Cal (308/30-06 or 300 something) and call it a day.
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Bought a 270nwsm been doing load development for it …but can’t get it to group ..benelli r1 semi …150 sst’s (hornady)…used h4350 and h 4831
Got some progress but the velocity was on the low side …2700 fps…then something around the 2850 give or take …buddy shot factory ammo and on box said 3140 fps …3 shot group about 3/4”….me scratching my head …what gives
Anyone want to comment here ..please do
Got some progress but the velocity was on the low side …2700 fps…then something around the 2850 give or take …buddy shot factory ammo and on box said 3140 fps …3 shot group about 3/4”….me scratching my head …what gives
Anyone want to comment here ..please do
For the speed you might want to look at 7828, RL22 or Mag-pro.
What I’ll often do when playing with a new cartridge is do a pressure sequence of one shot per grain to find out if that combination can even give me the speed I was expecting. Its a lot faster and cheaper than doing a complete traditional work-up finding an accurate load that I can swim faster than. 2700-2800 fps with 150s makes a 30-06 with cheap factory loads look like a speed demon. That would depress me even it it put them all in the same hole.
On a different note, after playing with 3 flavours of 270s for decades I’ve never had much luck getting any of them shooting anything other than 130s. Maybe its just bad luck on my part, but that's a lot of bad luck.
john-brennan
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DL I agree I use 7828 with amazing velocity and accuracy with WSM and 130 and 150gr accubonds
