Has anyone lost their touch?

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I’ve been hunting deer hard this year and not had luck. I’m not doing anything differently than I usually do and I’ve seen nothing for deer. Strangely enough I’ve seen 14-15 different bull moose this year which is insane.

It’s definitely still nice being out in the woods away from the “city”, however it is starting to sting a bit! I’d say I’m somewhat experienced with around 15 deer under my belt. Can moose push deer out of an area? Definitely not looking to make excuses, just a little stumped. I’d say the area seems like it has a lot more people (city population), but it hasn’t grown that much in the last 5 years or so.
 
Wolves! Well here in my area anyway!
Yep, wolf population is very high here, too.(north/central Saskatchewan).
They are beginning to move out of the forest fringes, and this summer quite a few were seen out in the farmland.
On a positive note, there has been a wolf season introduced here, and my son shot one while trying to hunt non-existent deer last fall.20231201_094941.jpg
 
Yep, wolf population is very high here, too.(north/central Saskatchewan).
They are beginning to move out of the forest fringes, and this summer quite a few were seen out in the farmland.
On a positive note, there has been a wolf season introduced here, and my son shot one while trying to hunt non-existent deer last fall.View attachment 847807
Oh wow. Yah it's the same here, they are getting close to city limits too now. Well it's not a big city, 5 thousand people, but they're here for good as predator hunting ain't as common as it use to be
 
Could be tons of reasons.

Beavers moved out, or into an area and changed landscape/deer movement. Could be why you’re seeing more moose?

I hunted an area for a few years and saw less and less deer every year. Crown land was south of hwy 17 and a guy that lives on the highway 17 had a big atv trail system covering half the crown land. Built a big patio and building over a massive swamp on crown land and would have parties there year round.

Somebody nearby got dogs and doesn’t believe in leashes?
 
Yep, wolf population is very high here, too.(north/central Saskatchewan).
They are beginning to move out of the forest fringes, and this summer quite a few were seen out in the farmland.
On a positive note, there has been a wolf season introduced here, and my son shot one while trying to hunt non-existent deer last fall.View attachment 847807
Did you try the meat?
 
There have been quite a few big fires up in the Shuwap area over the last few years. Could it be that the fires have created new habitat that the deer in your area prefer over what you are hunting, or that you are hunting areas that burned and the deer have yet to return?
 
In my area, game has an awful lot of ground between the animals.

I was speaking to another CGNer last night about this and he also is noticing a severe lack of game in the usual areas.

Predation is only part of the issue, but there are other factors.

Suther mentions fire. Fire is historically a good thing for game, other than at the time the fire is raging. It's been my experience that hunting fire ravaged areas the following year after the fire and for the next several years is a very productive way to hunt. Lots of feed growing because of he nutrients released into the soil by the fire.

The recent "drought" years, which are normal for our region "Okanogon Valley" have had an effect on fawn survival.

That and constant encroachment of housing projects, hundreds of miles of 3 meter high fences along major highways, which inhibit the animals from getting to traditional sources of water, following biologically traditional migration routes, etc. The fences are put up to protect the animals as well as motorists, I don't know which is worse?

Clear cutting to eradicate Pine Beetles has gotten out of control, now that Europe has switched from Natural Gas to Wood Pellets to heat homes and generate electricity, because of the war between Russia/Ukraine. Areas which were unprofitable to harvest are now "gold" especially to smaller operators, many of which have grown to be large operators over the last three years.

The size and vast numbers of these clear cuts are devastating the ecological balances of many areas. There are all sorts of small seeps, streams, ponds and even larger creeks that quickly dry up completely after all of the trees have been removed and the areas scarified.

It takes at least a decade for these areas to start holding back the water, sometimes it just doesn't come back in a sustainable manner.

The animals in these areas either move out completely or become easy prey for predators and hunters and because of the lack of cover, etc, they die off or get killed.

I showed some photos of a few resident Mule Deer in our area to a fellow last night. There are four Deer in the photo.

They came over to check out my dog, which they're familiar with, and I was able to take pics with my phone from about a meter away.

One of the Does is an obvious cross breed Mule/White Tail. She's lighter in color, facial markings, smaller ears, smaller body, etc are quite obvious. Sadly, these cross bred Deer, male or female are "sterile" come into heat a couple of weeks before the pure Mule Deer, draw off the bucks and the males tend to be more aggressive, just like White Tail bucks, so chase the Mule Deer bucks off from their herds.

I don't know what the ratios are, but I've witnessed a time when there weren't any White Tail Deer in our region, which had what appeared to be an unlimited supply of Mule Deer, to a region now mostly populated by White Tails, and Mule Deer becoming oddities.

Once prevalent and numerous herds of Mule Deer, counting in the hundreds of animals per herd, in the fields and on the south slopes of hillsides are now non existent.

We've also been inundated by Wolves, and I do believe they've definitely contributed to the present situation, but not to the extent we've been witnessing over the past five years.

It's impossible, in our region, to look at any area and not see clear cuts, some of which have regrown, from fifty year ago planting, covering 50% or more of the view.

Those older clear cuts, which have regenerated well are just now coming back to what they had once been. They still aren't as productive or providing the protection to the ecosystems they once supported.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. I can’t take the time to respond to them all, but they have all be appreciated.

As for off leash dogs, no not in the area I go thankfully or at least I’ve never seen one. I’m mostly hunting a region in 3-26 (bc) that hasn’t been affected by fire.


I have seen a few more road hunters than usual, but I usually hike up cut blocks and plant my ass down.
 
I take my JR on walking hunts all of the time. She's not "hunting" for anything, other than the odd rodent, and at fourteen years old, those tiny critters have to be very unlucky indeed if they get caught.

As for dog hunting, I was speaking with a fellow about that a few months back. He and a couple of others from the Kelowna/Rutland area, have a dozen or so dogs, which they turn loose to "hunt"

He even had videos on his phone, showing these dogs at work.

These folks, just like those who hunt Cougars with dogs off leash, but with GPS tracking collars are thankfully few and far between. Even if they don't catch or corner an animal, they can likely run it to death. How many animals they have an effect on, I don't know.

Whether it's a serious problem or not, likely depends on how active the participants in this "sport" are.

It's not something I like to see, as it's getting down to a different level of ethics. Whether it's legal is another question.

Using dogs to retrieve game is one thing, running it to complete exhaustion is another.

Not my cup of tea at all, but It's like everything else, up to the particular individual.
 
I take my JR on walking hunts all of the time. She's not "hunting" for anything, other than the odd rodent, and at fourteen years old, those tiny critters have to be very unlucky indeed if they get caught.

As for dog hunting, I was speaking with a fellow about that a few months back. He and a couple of others from the Kelowna/Rutland area, have a dozen or so dogs, which they turn loose to "hunt"

He even had videos on his phone, showing these dogs at work.

These folks, just like those who hunt Cougars with dogs off leash, but with GPS tracking collars are thankfully few and far between. Even if they don't catch or corner an animal, they can likely run it to death. How many animals they have an effect on, I don't know.

Whether it's a serious problem or not, likely depends on how active the participants in this "sport" are.

It's not something I like to see, as it's getting down to a different level of ethics. Whether it's legal is another question.

Using dogs to retrieve game is one thing, running it to complete exhaustion is another.

Not my cup of tea at all, but It's like everything else, up to the particular individual.
I’ve been trying to be a bit more mature on this website, but I can not stand people from rutland. They live in Kelowna, but at the same time try act like they are rural country boys. It is quite bizarre if you ask me. They seem to be very try hard outdoors men as well. I can’t judge all of them of course.

I grew up on a farm outside of salmon arm and these men my age in rutland act like they own 900 acre ranches, haha. It made conversations interesting. I could talk about farming hay all day, but they seemed to shut up once they found out I was actually part of what they pretended to be.



Years ago when I was foolish my golden retriever would come deer hunting with me. She was a great dog she was just out for a walk. I never used her to chase or find deer, but I ended up in some trouble over it one day. Thankfully that officer was understanding. I only let her come if I was bird hunting after that. She was great at retrieving grouse and completely oblivious of deer and scared of them.

I’ll shut up after this story. One time I was hunting bear in a corn field and she followed me down. We went through some brush and spooked some coyote pups and she started to bolt after them to “play”. I’d never in my life pulled my rifle up to aim at the adult coyote with them. She listened to my yell and came back as the wild dogs ran off.
 
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get up as high in elevation as you can and start looking for buck scrapes, the rut is about to go off.
Then find the does and or a hot trail and wait.
I've heard from several hunters in region 3 that the deer are lingering in the high steep country to avoid the wolves.
 
I hunt typically in super high traffic areas, and don't have a problem takimg deer out of them .
My partners and I walk however , or use a ground blind.
We hunt in a noisy area next to an RV stagiing area and next to a highway
 
The rut comes on by "minutes of daylight" That started sometime around the middle of September. This has been proven by several different agencies.

The animals seem to move around more, from this time of year on, but from what I read, that's more due to colder weather than anything else.

I was up over 4500 meters yesterday and in 3 -5 inches of fresh snow. We walked appx 5 km down a road with several accessible cut blocks and skirted the perimeters of two of the most promising. We didn't even see one track.

This isn't unusual this year in our area.

Others may have more game in them for whatever reason, but all of the hunters I know, who are good at it, are saying the same thing.

Definite lack of animals, to the point where folks who normally don't comment on such things are surprised.

The very odd person is getting game, but even they're admitting it had more to do with luck than skill.

GLTA all the folks putting in the hard work to harvest an animal this year
 
I guess I am an exception
Fair numbers of deer around here although I know guys locally that haven't shot a buck yet.
I've been saving my mulie tag for this month and will hopefully connect with a couple local bucks I have been on since i got back from moose hunting. I know where the groups of does are the last few days so ya never know. If I don't harvest one here in 5-1 before it closes on the 10th I will do a hunt in 3-30 in an area I know very well.
Keep at it..... ya can't get one if ya don't go ;)
 
I guess I am an exception
Fair numbers of deer around here although I know guys locally that haven't shot a buck yet.
I've been saving my mulie tag for this month and will hopefully connect with a couple local bucks I have been on since i got back from moose hunting. I know where the groups of does are the last few days so ya never know. If I don't harvest one here in 5-1 before it closes on the 10th I will do a hunt in 3-30 in an area I know very well.
Keep at it..... ya can't get one if ya don't go ;)
Definitely. I came home from a hunt a couple hours ago and found a lot of rub marks before I packed in. Definitely dark early now!
 
My success for deer is dropping but only because age is creeping up and I no longer hunt in inclement weather, cold is fine but rain and snow keep me inside where I cook for the others, keep the fire going etc
 
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