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Looking for suggestions in .223/5.56 or 7.62x39, prices are what you'd be willing to fork out on this exchange.

$800-1500:
1) Doesn't jam on economical ammo for the economical gun
2) On-target - fun
3) Future-proof (parts, accessories, won't rust or make me want to chuck it off a cliff)
4) Modern optics make it better whether red dot or scope
5) Makes me feel better about taking it out 5 times a year instead of taking my kids on vacation LOL, if it came down to it

$2000-3500
1) Is awesome.
2) Preferably non-restricted
3) top 4 of 5
4) lifetime warranty

If you have a hell of a suggestion for a fun tacticool .22 or .22 mag that isn't a picky pain in the butt, I won't be disappointed

Thanks nutz
 
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For your $800-1500 range I've got bad news. You're at high risk of getting a lemon that will disqualify your first condition. You're rolling the dice. However there are a few models that *might* fit.
1. Kodiak WK180 gen 2. It's right at the top of the range at $1500.
2. Kel-tec SU16. Recreational rifle, nothing more.
3. Type 97 Gen 3. Not super accurate, no-go if you're lefty, but it works.
4. Type 81 if they come back in stock. Some have relatively accurate ones, the one I used to have couldn't do better than 14MOA.

Kinda in-between your ranges, Kel-Tec RDB. At $1600 it's probably your best bet at that price. Once the gas is dialed in it's quite reliable if you don't change ammo types, average accuracy (2.5MOA) and a very nice trigger as far as bullpups go. I love mine. If you get a jam, it's a nightmare to clear.

For the 2000-3500:
1. Build your own Raven. Hands down. You'll get a rifle that shoots more accurate than anything else in this price range for the same price or cheaper. If you're willing to build of course.
2. Sterling Arms R18 Mk2. Heavy, but very reliable and decently accurate.
3. BCL Siberian, avoid like the plague.
4. Crusader arms Templar, heard nothing good about it, but some people get a good one.
5. Sterling Arms R18 Mk 3, it's not released yet and machining was outsourced to Turkey *I think* but is cheaper and has more features than the
6. X95. I'm not a fan, they're heavy, high recoiling for their weight and caliber, and have terrible triggers but tons of people love them.
7. Some configuration of restricted Bren 2. They can be had for the high end of that price range.
8. Factory Raven 5.56. If you can find them they're great. Downsides are the accessories are very expensive, exposed ejection port.
9. Crusader arms Crypto. If you're fine with ONLY 5 rounds and proprietary mags.

To be perfectly clear, having competed and directed rifle matches I have seen every single rifle here have jams or malfunctions except for the Sterling, Type 97, Crypto and Type 81, only because I've never personally seen someone run those 4 in competition.

There's probably a few that I'm missing here but that's most of the market.
 
Does the Crypto have an FRT yet? I wouldn't touch one without an FRT, too easy for the RCMP to decide its an AR Variant and they're you are stuck with a worthless rifle that you can't do anything with but turn it in. And even better, it won't be covered by any buyback or amnesty that is in place for the May 2020 OIC guns.


At this point I'm just waiting for the CPC to get in power next year, and hopefully restore our ability to buy an AR15. Everything else is either way too expensive or far too hit-or-miss for me. If money was no option, the Raven seems like the best bang for your buck these days.
 
1. Tikka T3x 223s are best bang for buck - cant beat that action
1a. CZ Trail is tacti-cool
2. Sako 85 Varmint is the higher end (your # 2 price range).

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For your $800-1500 range I've got bad news. You're at high risk of getting a lemon that will disqualify your first condition. You're rolling the dice. However there are a few models that *might* fit.
1. Kodiak WK180 gen 2. It's right at the top of the range at $1500.
2. Kel-tec SU16. Recreational rifle, nothing more.
3. Type 97 Gen 3. Not super accurate, no-go if you're lefty, but it works.
4. Type 81 if they come back in stock. Some have relatively accurate ones, the one I used to have couldn't do better than 14MOA.

Kinda in-between your ranges, Kel-Tec RDB. At $1600 it's probably your best bet at that price. Once the gas is dialed in it's quite reliable if you don't change ammo types, average accuracy (2.5MOA) and a very nice trigger as far as bullpups go. I love mine. If you get a jam, it's a nightmare to clear.

For the 2000-3500:
1. Build your own Raven. Hands down. You'll get a rifle that shoots more accurate than anything else in this price range for the same price or cheaper. If you're willing to build of course.
2. Sterling Arms R18 Mk2. Heavy, but very reliable and decently accurate.
3. BCL Siberian, avoid like the plague.
4. Crusader arms Templar, heard nothing good about it, but some people get a good one.
5. Sterling Arms R18 Mk 3, it's not released yet and machining was outsourced to Turkey *I think* but is cheaper and has more features than the
6. X95. I'm not a fan, they're heavy, high recoiling for their weight and caliber, and have terrible triggers but tons of people love them.
7. Some configuration of restricted Bren 2. They can be had for the high end of that price range.
8. Factory Raven 5.56. If you can find them they're great. Downsides are the accessories are very expensive, exposed ejection port.
9. Crusader arms Crypto. If you're fine with ONLY 5 rounds and proprietary mags.

To be perfectly clear, having competed and directed rifle matches I have seen every single rifle here have jams or malfunctions except for the Sterling, Type 97, Crypto and Type 81, only because I've never personally seen someone run those 4 in competition.

There's probably a few that I'm missing here but that's most of the market.
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Seconded for the RDB, could put a nice optics setup on it and bring it to the higher range. If you can find a T81 you'll be putting in a not insubstantial amount to get it ready for MLOK and modern optics which would likely drive it out of your lower price range.

The SU-16B makes for a good sporting rifle, I'd steer clear of the SU-16FE as it's just trying to make the rifle what it's not and you lose the foldable stock with spots for spare 10rd magazines. It's a nice light rifle at around 4.5-5lbs unloaded, the models imported now are the improved versions which are said to not be prone to the last gen's receiver failures, but the barrel is pretty light and the action is unsophisticated so don't expect it to keep up if you're trying to put lots of rounds downrange fast.

BREN 2 would be my pick for that high range, you could run an SL-8 as well and run a mag adapter but those HK part prices can be a little extreme.
 
Suther said:
Does the Crypto have an FRT yet? I wouldn't touch one without an FRT, too easy for the RCMP to decide its an AR Variant and they're you are stuck with a worthless rifle that you can't do anything with but turn it in. And even better, it won't be covered by any buyback or amnesty that is in place for the May 2020 OIC guns.


At this point I'm just waiting for the CPC to get in power next year, and hopefully restore our ability to buy an AR15. Everything else is either way too expensive or far too hit-or-miss for me. If money was no option, the Raven seems like the best bang for your buck these days.
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I don’t understand why people think an frt has anything to do with a rifle be banned or not. Atrs had an frt and they are currently not being sold in any stores
 
Gunnposter said:
I don’t understand why people think an frt has anything to do with a rifle be banned or not. Atrs had an frt and they are currently not being sold in any stores
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It is really quite simple: Without an FRT there has been no determination of the guns legality by the people who decide the legal status of a gun. But make no mistake, there WILL BE an FRT issued for this gun eventually.

A perfect example is the RS-Q1. Those were sold as NR rifles, but when they finally got an FRT the lab said they're prohib. Now everyone who bought an RS-Q1 has a gun they cannot legally POSSESS let alone use. Its not covered by the buyback, nor the amnesty that protects us from charges for possessing AR15s we've had since the OIC ban.

I was simply giving my opinion: That I wouldn't buy a gun without an FRT being issued first. You might be willing to take that gamble, but I am not. Yes, an FRT can be changed after the fact, we've seen it happen a bunch in the months after the 2020 OIC. But I believe the Crypto is far more likely to be declared P from the hop, rather than declared NR then changed down the road.

YMMV, I'm just giving my opinion.
 
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