Rational Alberta Hunters

[Duffy]

Some of you non Alberta hunters may be wondering about the other "alberta hunters" thread. You may or may not have noticed that of the 106 posts 52 were made by 4 Alberta guys. and 29 were made by one person in particular.

The Open Spaces program is getting a lot of attention among hunters in Alberta. But there is a segment of people who are taking it to a different level

They think it is "payed hunting" (what ever that means) and they see red and will not believe there could be any good from it in any modified form.

Robin in Rocky

 

[sjemac]

Depends on the details Duffy. The proponents of Open Spaces are remarkably short on those.

Don't do a pilot until you've got your "Materials and Methods" worked out. Every good researcher knows that. If you don't have your M&M finalized and cemented, your study is worthless.

 

[Cowboy]

Robin

Does this new program include land held under lease or is it deeded land only?
Some of this lease land is tied up for 99 yrs and the leases are pretty cheap. I'd love to have some cheap grazing land.
I know lots of areas we used to be able to get into crown land and now the access is shut off. IE west of Longview Flat creek and Sulivan creek. I have no proof but I suspect an outfitter has paid someone to lock some gates and keep people out.

I haven't had a chance yet to talk to Ted and get his side of this new idea. I do give him points for trying to get more access----Cowboy

 

[Duffy]

Sjemac
The details are not ironed out yet as the pilot projects are still in a planning stage. The "working Group" wants the "players" at the table to finnish it up and then there is to be a 5 year trial. With an evaluation process that would for one thing require a 75% satisfaction of resident hunters. But many of those against it just want it shut down and are not willing to be involved in further planning

Cowboy

O.S. does not include crown owned lease land. There is a site that will let you see how to contact a lease holder and inform them you will be accessing the land. If they try to refuse you access you can appeal to a public lands person and hopefully gain access.

Robin in Rocky

 

[guido]

I know of 3 albertans that are for this Open Spaces crap. I have said from the beginning if your for it, it is for selfish reasons. I still think that. One of the Albertan's is Ted Morton, another is a landowner in WMU 300 and the other is some guy named Duffy from Rocky. Duffy would not even stand up for his own beliefs when it came time to vote for/against Open Spaces at the AFGA AGM.

Please read the documents on this webpage http://www.arhj.org/arhj_003.htm
Then you can decide for yourself whether it's good or not. Please don't take Duffy's or my word for it. Lots of info on that site

Oh, and here is an article that was in the Lethbridge Herald today http://www.lethbridgeherald.com/article_10042.php

 

[Lazy Ike]

Duffy, you might want to check the deffinitions for

"Rational"
and
"Open Minded"

before atributing yourself with these qualities.

You are obviously put out by HOW, hunters are responding to OS? I suspect the fact that there are individuals that have the capacity to research, digest and form opinions based on the information their hard work has discovered, is foreign to you. Your "arguments" for OS, appear to be more of a campaign to return the topic into an arena that you are capable of understanding.

I'm not saying that the evidence only should lead to a No vote but you do not argue evidence. Your "position" isn't.

"It's all good!' and "Don't worry be happy!" are bumperstickers.

 

[Duffy]

As you can see "guido" is one of those who is SET AGAINST O.S.

I'm not sure why he thinks I have any selfish reason to be for O.S. And I'm not sure why he thinks I am for it. (I guess he feels if one is not outspoken against something then one must be for it) But then I do not fully understand much of what some are saying against O.S. I think many do not understand the O.S. plan but whenever I say that there is a lot of "I UNDERSTAND IT PERFECTLY, IT MUST BE YOU WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT!"

Have a good one!

Robin

 

[Duffy]

Lazy Ike

"Duffy, you might want to check the deffinitions for

"Rational"
and
"Open Minded"

before atributing yourself with these qualities."


You see I never "atributed those quallities to myself". You have read something "between the lines" Something that is not there. And I believe you and some others have been doing this all along. Looking at the "facts" of O.S. and interpreting all sorts of things "between the lines" Making assumtions that when "they" say one thing they really mean something else. And that is where a lot of the fear of O.S. comes from in my view.

May I ask why you continue to apply that quote of mine to the bottom of your posts? What do you think it means?

Robin

 

[Lazy Ike]

Lazy Ike

"Duffy, you might want to check the deffinitions for

"Rational"
and
"Open Minded"

before atributing yourself with these qualities."

You see I never "atributed those quallities to myself". You have read something "between the lines" Something that is not there. And I believe you and some others have been doing this all along.

So you are not Rational or Open Minded? You are the person who introduced these concepts into this discussion so I assumed you had an opinon on them.

Looking at the "facts" of O.S. and interpreting all sorts of things "between the lines" Making assumtions that when "they" say one thing they really mean something else. And that is where a lot of the fear of O.S. comes from in my view.

Well one fact, is that you argued that we should trust the politition and take a wait and see attitude so I assume that you are content with waiting to see how Stelamch and the caucus deal with OS?

May I ask why you continue to apply that quote of mine to the bottom of your posts? What do you think it means?

It struck me as irrational and worth a second look.

 

[crazy_davey]

Some of you non Alberta hunters may be wondering about the other "alberta hunters" thread. You may or may not have noticed that of the 106 posts 52 were made by 4 Alberta guys. and 29 were made by one person in particular.

The Open Spaces program is getting a lot of attention among hunters in Alberta. But there is a segment of people who are taking it to a different level

They think it is "payed hunting" (what ever that means) and they see red and will not believe there could be any good from it in any modified form.

Robin in Rocky

You have already proven to me by statements in other posts(here and on AO) that you are in fact a "sheep". Plus I am quite sure that you cant wrap your mind around the Open Spaces program, but are just posting on the subject to stir the pot. Alberta hunters should be concerned about the Open Spaces Program, thanks to those posters who have the time to keep others informed on the subject.

No thanks to you Duffy for wasting others time with nothing but your b*llsh*t to add with posts like these.

 

[Cinch]

Some of you non Alberta hunters may be wondering about the other "alberta hunters" thread. You may or may not have noticed that of the 106 posts 52 were made by 4 Alberta guys. and 29 were made by one person in particular.

The Open Spaces program is getting a lot of attention among hunters in Alberta. But there is a segment of people who are taking it to a different level

They think it is "payed hunting" (what ever that means) and they see red and will not believe there could be any good from it in any modified form.

Robin in Rocky

Based on the article appearing in the Lethbridge Herald, the current form of OS appears to be a thinly disguised attempt by Outfitters to increase their hold on hunting opportunities in AB. Now if OS is truly about increasing hunter access ONLY then OS should adopt a format similar to PLOTS in North Dakota which financially compensates landowners for open access period - no resalable tags.

If I was a sportsman/woman in AB I would be very concerned that OS is a slippery sloped headed towards "pay to play". You only need to be on the stubblefields of AB/SK/MB doing the waterfowl season to quickly learn that "pay to play" leaves the average hunter out in the cold.

 

[guido]

As you can see "guido" is one of those who is SET AGAINST O.S.

I'm not sure why he thinks I have any selfish reason to be for O.S. And I'm not sure why he thinks I am for it. (I guess he feels if one is not outspoken against something then one must be for it) But then I do not fully understand much of what some are saying against O.S. I think many do not understand the O.S. plan but whenever I say that there is a lot of "I UNDERSTAND IT PERFECTLY, IT MUST BE YOU WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND IT!"

Have a good one!

Robin

Duffy, I have posted access to all the info to date. ( thanks to all the hard work of others). I asked everyone to read it and form their OWN opinions. That means they would have to understand it.

One question Duffy, do you have any history with SRD in Alberta?

 

[Duffy]

News papers often look for controversy and people with contoversial ideas often look for news papers. Not saying "do not belive anything you read in the paper" but maybe take some of it with a grain of salt.

I actually started this thread for the benifit of non-Albertans so they might see that all Albertans are not so "wound up" over this Open Spaces thing. I guess I figured those who are wound up would find there way here and speak their mind. (Didn't think I was stirring any pot and that has never been my intention)

Robin in Rocky

guido, I did not start this thread to engage in more debate with you or some of the others on here. What my history is, who I may be related to and the color of my skin has nothing to do with my view of Open Spaces or the potential of what it may become.

 

[crazy_davey]

(Didn't think I was stirring any pot and that has never been my intention)

You may or may not have noticed that of the 106 posts 52 were made by 4 Alberta guys. and 29 were made by one person in particular.

You had the time to go through a thread, count how many times certain people were posting and then post the stats. Now you are saying that you were not trying to stir the pot

Why I ever wasted my time reading your thread is beyond me. Go away little sheep.

 

[scott_r]

I hope you Alberta guys get this garbage worked out, sounds like something from down in the states.

 

[Lazy Ike]

I hope you Alberta guys get this garbage worked out, sounds like something from down in the states.

I don't know one American hunter who would'nt trade his left nut for the kind of opportunities Resident Albertans have right now.

 

[J Stuart]

I don't know one American hunter who would'nt trade his left nut for the kind of opportunities Resident Albertans have right now.

Yes...and we Australians would trade the Americans other nut for the same opportunities.

 

[Duffy]

You had the time to go through a thread, count how many times certain people were posting and then post the stats. Now you are saying that you were not trying to stir the pot

Why I ever wasted my time reading your thread is beyond me. Go away little sheep.

Sorry dave I guess you didn't know this but one doesn't need to count every post. If you go to the page before this one (Hunting) and you will see on the right hand side the number of posts on a topic. Click on it and it will tell you how many posts and by whom. I did add some numbers up mind you.

Why is it when one has a differing opinion it is called stirring the pot???

I came here and started a new thread so I would not be stirring any pot on the other thread. If you follow on to this thread maybe you are the one who is crazy, crazy dave

 

[Moon]

Ahhhh, I see. Your intention for starting this thread was for the benefit of non-Albertans so that they might see that all Albertans are not so “wound up” over a scheme where some landowners will be given big game tags to sell and they are paid directly, to allow residents to hunt; a scheme that you vehemently proclaim is not “payed” (sic) hunting.

Duffy, thanks for being such a great ambassador for Alberta Hunters! I’m not certain how you managed to get the job (tell me it wasn’t a patronage appointment from Ted Morton). You may not be a moron in real life, but you certainly appear to enjoy playing one on the internet! Sheeesh!

 

[crazy_davey]

If you follow on to this thread maybe you are the one who is crazy, crazy dave

I never once in this thread said you were crazy. I also have never before denied being crazy, hence the name.

There is one thing for sure, I understand fully what the topic at hand means for our province. I do my research, I always have on such subjects(as I am sure others do as well). But in the end it is quite obvious that you do not fully understand this topic, you have proven that many times in your posts.

I could give you my full opinion on this subject Robin, but I figure why give my thoughts on something you don't even understand. Post what you will, I am done with you now, for good.