which Muzzleloader will do

Flintlocks if loaded properly and a good quality weapon their is no "LAG" in time for ignition/discharging. My Austin & Hallock fires as fast as a cap and ball, so does my Pedersoli copy of the Shortland Brownbess.;)

When compared to the lock time of a modern in-line, flintlocks are the tortise in the race but in a real hunting situation.....no big deal.
 
sorry aries but the savage muzzleloader fed with smokeless pistol powder is quite frankly the best one out there. mine shoots 1" groups at 100 yds. with a .429 hornady xtp sabot round, imr4227. some of my high power rifles don't group this good. Yes there are issues with the sharp pressure curve using fast burning pistol powder. stick to the manufacturer's reccomended loads and you will be fine. the model I purchased did not come with the accu trigger (it was not available at the time). My best kill to date has been a muley buck at 275 meters with witnesses.
 
zthou: yes but you follow the instructions.

what about someone with a blackpowder powder measure and figgures "oh il just stuff in 50 grains of powder" and kaboom. someone winds up with a exploded barrel in their face. all it takes is once.

the nice thing with blackpowder rifles is i can stuff in 200 grains of powder and it wont do jack. 50% or more of the powder will be launched out the end of the barrel and burn in mid air. if someone over loads the savage with smokeless its gonna go boom big time.
 
the nice thing with blackpowder rifles is i can stuff in 200 grains of powder and it wont do jack. 50% or more of the powder will be launched out the end of the barrel and burn in mid air.

Not in an inline.....a 28" barrel will easily burn up 200 grains of powder....I wouldn't recommend it but I sure wouldn't say it won't do jack. It can also be very dangerous.

Savages are no more dangerous that any other muzzleloader.....follow the directions.....smokeless is measured by weight and blackpowder is measured by volume...pretty simple.
 
If you don't clean the oil out of the barrel, and cap off, you can have a hangfire long enough to scare an animal. ( Don't tell my wife I told you that ;):D)
Cheers nessy.
 
The Savage with the Accutrigger is the best muzzle loader if you call it that. It's not traditional it is really a modern single shot rifle that takes longer to reload. How is it more dangerous than reloading for center fire? My cousin has one and he weighs out the charges and stores in individual containers for use. You shouldn't be pouring powder down the barrel anyway. That would blow consistency out the window.

zthou: yes but you follow the instructions.

what about someone with a blackpowder powder measure and figgures "oh il just stuff in 50 grains of powder" and kaboom. someone winds up with a exploded barrel in their face. all it takes is once.

the nice thing with blackpowder rifles is i can stuff in 200 grains of powder and it wont do jack. 50% or more of the powder will be launched out the end of the barrel and burn in mid air. if someone over loads the savage with smokeless its gonna go boom big time.
 
If you don't clean the oil out of the barrel, and cap off, you can have a hangfire long enough to scare an animal. ( Don't tell my wife I told you that ;):D)
Cheers nessy.

LOL...ya, loading on a frosty morning after storing your gun inside all night without snapping caps has the same effect!
 
If I had to shoot a deer at 100 yards in the late ML season in our parts of Ontario I would have to walk away from the deer at least 50-75 yards to make it a 100 yard shot. The longest shot our group has taken in 6 years was 80 paces, most are within 25-50.
 
I am looking for some nice Muzzleloader which can shoot long distance upto 200 yards with barrel which shall not rust. I cannot spend funds for TC which is expensice, recommend some nice make and model::wave:

Get yourself a TC any model (preferably a cap lock) shoot it lot and you will be happy.
In lines and 150 grains of powder are for people who can't handle the reality of muzzleloader hunting.
 
I shoot alot of BP stuff and the only rifle I could think of is a Gibbs or a Rigby english long range rifle now these rifle are made for long range shooting way past 200yds I do not have one yet, but if you can not afford one of them buy your self a TC hawkens 45 cal and then order the long range hunter combo barrel/scope from green mountain and drop it in to a 15/16 barrel channel and start shooting.
 
Has anyone mentioned the Whitworth rifle? These were used by Confederate snipers during the Civil war and also in Britain as 800-1000 thousand yard target rifles. I know some repros were made at sometime, but not sure who made them.

Parker-Hale? maybe....
 
No you are the only one.
Yes you are right Parker-Hale made repros, I don't think they are made anymore and if you can find a used one it will be mega coin. Last one I seen sold at auction approx. 10 years ago it sold for $1800. And by the way max. recommended load for Whitworth repro. was 90 gr of powder with 490 gr. lead slug. Although I know a person who uses one for hunting, with 36" barrel and military type sights it is not the greatest hunting outfit.
Best Regards Mike.
Has anyone mentioned the Whitworth rifle? These were used by Confederate snipers during the Civil war and also in Britain as 800-1000 thousand yard target rifles. I know some repros were made at sometime, but not sure who made them.

Parker-Hale? maybe....
 
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FWIW, Euroarms in Italy bought out the Parker Hale tooling and continues to make the Whitworth and its cousin, the Volunteer. I bought one about a year ago from though Loyalist Arms in Nova Scotia. Cost me about $1100. Still haven't fired it yet. Sam Fadala seems to think highly of these military rifles as hunting rifles in his various books. I would agree that they certainly are rugged enough, but they are kind of long, and a bit heavy.
 
I think most inlines ML can be shot at 200 yards. I have shot deer at 200 + when using loads of 100gr of T7 FFG(approx equiv of 115gr BP). Its more about finding the best combo then putting in the approriate range time to be proficent with it. Not only MV at work the low BC of the projectiles used in a 50 cal ML making them more suspect to drift, etc. Certainly doable though provided you'll shoot it in practice and realize that under certain conditions making the long shots just isn't practical.

As far as the savage and safety, it just maybe the safest production ML on the market it will stand pressures far in excess of the reccomended loads. The savage is an animal though, it can do some amazing things but is quirky as well. Not a first time ML IMHO.

I find it funny that people can suggest traditions and cva's without mentioning safety as neither of these companies proof rate their barrels but suggest you can use magnum charges...which I think is very unsafe. I have nothing against either brand but wouldn't go dumping 150 grains of powder in them. 120 Pyrodex or equiv would be the max, I'd stop at 110 T7 FFG or FFFG just to be safe.

I weigh my BP and sub loads as well b/c the variances between volume pours. I take an average weight based on volume pours and then duplicate it. My groups have shrinked slightly but my group average is much better as my flyers are way down. So weighing for the savage is natural.

Yes i own both sub shooting inlines and savage 10 II's. Both have advantages both have disadvantages, both have killed deer past 200 yards. In honesty i like playing with the savage but like blowing smoke more. I find myself now looking for a new sub shooter, as after 1500+ rounds through the savages I am to the point where it's not new anymore and find the need to start over. I admit it's an addiction, hunting has become the bonus...lol!
 
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I find it funny that people can suggest traditions and cva's without mentioning safety as neither of these companies proof rate their barrels but suggest you can use magnum charges...which I think is very unsafe.

X2, by american made steel and shoot away!

FWIW I think these companies suggest the magnum loads are OK, because the barrel is long enough to burn the powder, not necessarily safe though.
 
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