A little help, photo of W760

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Hey fellas,

I pulled a pill from a factory load that runs awesome in one of my rifles. I visually compared the powder to all I have on hand, and weighed it. Then hit the books to further investigate. Can someone post or send me a photo of W760 powder?
I'm quite certain it's the one. But I'd like to have a looksie at some before I buy a pound to try it.

Thanks in advance.

Oh, and merry Christmas!
 
Licensed to kill said:
W760 is a ball powder. I have some (use it in my .348) if you haven’t got a pic posted before we get home next week, I can get a pic for you.
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I know commercially they have their own custom blends. But based on the weight and appearance I was able to rule out a few ball Powders. It looks like H335, but it isn't as the powder charge doesn't line up. I ruled out 748 and blc-2. They're smaller, slightly different shape, and a different color shade.
 
jamesharrison said:
If you look at Hodgdon's website, under 308 Winchester with a 185 grain bullet, you'll see that 46.0 grs. comes within the loading parameters for Ramshot BigGame.

This is what that looks like.

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BUT, trying to guess a powder when it looks the same as another is a VERY dangerous endeavour.
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Thank you, it certainly isn't that one.

I know the game can be dangerous. I plan on finding the closest facsimile and starting low and working up.
 
Factory fodder may or may not use the same powders us reloader’s use, so find a powder that will work by using published reloading data, and work up a load….. you know like you are advised to do when reloading…….

Quit with the microwavable type solutions!
 
Lefty #### said:
Factory fodder may or may not use the same powders us reloader’s use, so find a powder that will work by using published reloading data, and work up a load….. you know like you are advised to do when reloading…….

Quit with the microwavable type solutions!
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There's nothing wrong with looking at something that works and trying to identify a powder you haven't tried before and working up a load using the manual.
I'd never looked at 760 before and this appears to be similar to that.

Not sure what microwaves have to do with it. But thanks for coming out.
 
It’s not dangerous at all if you just suspect a powder and then use that powder and work up. Obviously don’t just chuck 46 grains in to start of the Min charge is much lower.

I do recall (from somewhere) that W760 is used often by some ammo makers but for sure it won’t be the exact same as you get commercially in a jug. But it seems you already know that, so have at it ..

I’ve done the same thing- suspected a powder and worked up and was successful although the charge may vary a bit.
 
JDForBrkFst said:
There's nothing wrong with looking at something that works and trying to identify a powder you haven't tried before and working up a load using the manual.
I'd never looked at 760 before and this appears to be similar to that.

Not sure what microwaves have to do with it. But thanks for coming out.
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The microwave reference obviously eludes you because you think everything is instant or quick and easy.

If 760 is listed in published data, then have at it, and work up a load.
Be aware that factories get their powder by the container load, and because of this the powder you buy off the shelf could be a greatly differing lot or burn rate, and thus needs to be tweaked to mimic what the factory is building, and that is subject to a great hit IF, that being IF the powder they are using is even the same as what is being sold to reloaders.
 
Haha thanks for coming out to be arrogant and preachy. I literally said all that already and hoped that maybe I could find something similar. But yet here we are with your smug BS.

I've been handloading for almost 20 years. Never had an issue. I've spent autistic levels of attention to finding a load that works with a given rifle. I'm never opposed to finding something else if a given loads produces results.

Anyways. Thanks to all you who actually helped out.
 
jamesharrison said:
True, but he would have to chronograph his factory loads first.
Depending on where his loads are made, it could be one of a whole lot of different powders, W760, H414, AA2700, Sta-Ball 6.5, SHP761, SMP765, Lovex D083-01, WC749, WC755, SMP746, SMP752, SMP756, SMP763, SMP694, SMP696
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Yes, there are a quite a few other possibilities. Sta-balls on my list too. I just referenced all my data books cross referencing the powder weight and appearance. 760 seems like a good bet.

I played the same game years ago and ended up with an amazing load in blc-2. The rifles long sold, but it got me thinking. I know I likely won't have the exact same results. But it is often a "right direction" thing that can open one up to powders yet tried.

But apparently I'm retarded and using a microwave.
 
OP, one thing to get clear, the powder found in "factory" cartridges is not the same as the powder in "cannister grade" powders available to hand loaders, other than if you luck out on a lot of "surplus" over run from a dealer such as Higgonson's.

It may very well be "close" but it will be different.

Commercial loaders purchase powders with specific qualities to each lot. As such those lots and the designations are "proprietary to each lot"

Another thing, several powders will have the "same shape" size, weight.

You can't make any decisions on the powder by its appearance.

Weighing the charge does help narrow down the burn rate, to a couple of different powders, but that's it.

Let me give you an example of W760, because you mention it in your post.

W760 = H414 or close enough that loading tables are interchangeable. Then, along comes a "commercial loader variant" H414SL10, which is not available to most hand loaders, unless they managed to scoop it when it was offered as "surplus"

It looks like W760 or H414, the balss are the same size/weight/bulk, but it's "SLOWER" almost as slow as W785. H414sl10 was developed for Remington, who used it in a run of cartridges with light bullets, at hyper velocities, which required an extremely consistent burn rate and was less temperature sensitive than other powders available at the time.

This happens a lot and is more the norm than it is a one off.

I recently acquired a "surplus" lot of a powder resembling Superformance. It looks exactly like Superformance but it's SLOWER, closer to H870 or H1000. There is nothing on the box to indicate where it came from originally, just "USE Superformance data for safe loads"

A few years ago, CanadaAmmo was bringing in and offering for sale several "proprietary" powders, some of which resembled IMR43550 or XBR8208. CA called them D8208BR and D4350SSC.

Both excellent powders and they are identical in appearance to their counterpart namesakes. They're also no longer available.

Canada Ammo, brought in a few different powders, from I believe European suppliers, at very decent prices, right at the time when powders were becoming unobtainable in North America from the usual cannister grade suppliers.

They brought them in in a couple of different lot orders and they were "different" from each other.

We have become used to "cannister grade" powders being so close from lot to lot, many handloaders don't even bother to "blend" their powders any longer to get reliable consistency. They just open a new container and don't even bother to check if there is any noticeable difference. Luckily for them, quality control is so good, they can usually get away with it.

You can't or couldn't do that with the powders offered by Canada Ammo at the time. They were of excellent quality though.
 
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