Bustercluck
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How much experience do you have with grizzly bears? How many have tried to eat you?
Hunter and his dog missing in Northern BC ----> UPDATE: Dog Proved Not to be Murphy!
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Enough to know that while it sounds really good, it would be a far less likely scenario than most people think. Slips, falls, and getting lost are all statistically more plausible than a bear attack. Particularly that late in the season, and if the fella was foraging for something.
It certainly isn't impossible,,, just far less possible than the usual causes.
R.
It certainly isn't impossible,,, just far less possible than the usual causes.
R.
The area is inhabitted by Cougars, Wolves, Black Bears, Grizzly Bears, Wolverines ..... to name the common predators.
Everything is hungry and hunting in the fall as winter nears...... so I wouldn't count out an animal attack as the precursor to how this guy disappeared and his dog (if it is his dog) ended up far from where the man was supposed to have disappeared.
There could also be some kind of well hidden foul play involved with this case but no one seems to know much and his private life has been kept well under wraps.
At this point in the winter season, it will be a recovery , not a rescue.
Everything is hungry and hunting in the fall as winter nears...... so I wouldn't count out an animal attack as the precursor to how this guy disappeared and his dog (if it is his dog) ended up far from where the man was supposed to have disappeared.
There could also be some kind of well hidden foul play involved with this case but no one seems to know much and his private life has been kept well under wraps.
At this point in the winter season, it will be a recovery , not a rescue.
For an animal to attack a human... is a very very rare occurrence, regardless of the location.
Outdoor folks talk about outdoors things, It shouldn't be amazing at all. The amazing thing is what the speculation is...It's amazing how much time people will spend on here arguing about scenarios of what could have happened when it's all pure speculation and they know nothing except he is missing, maybe he was beamed up by Scotty
R.
Thunderhog
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Tell that to the people who actually get attacked!.......
I would, but there are so very few of them, it would be difficult to do!Tell that to the people who actually get attacked!.......
R.
Thunderhog
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Well than I must know the right people then. Two of my friends were attacked and severely injured by grizzly bears. They both lived to tell the story.
I was charged by a large grizzly back in 2020, unfortunately for the bear it was the last time she will charge anyone.........
So if it's as rare as you think, it's odd I know personally of at least two attacks.
My point is, it is not as rare as you think. Spend enough time in the woods, and your odds of an attack increase.
A Smithers diamond driller I worked with was badly mauled. He survived.
A geo I worked with got treed by one. He survived.
I've seen them in the NWT and Russian arctic while on foot and unarmed and no problems but they didnt know I was there as I usually traversed into the wind (even though we are trained not to) because of the bugs.
A geo I worked with got treed by one. He survived.
I've seen them in the NWT and Russian arctic while on foot and unarmed and no problems but they didnt know I was there as I usually traversed into the wind (even though we are trained not to) because of the bugs.
Thunderhog
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Exactly my point, it's unfortunate people try to down play or just do not realize how often animal attacks actually occur.
In addition to our human rights, it's also an excellent argument with corrupt Liberals for us to bear arms against attacks. Animal attacks or threats/attacks from unstable humans (self defense). Attacks are more common these days, and will continue to be more common as long as stupid and uneducated politicians keep grizzly hunting closed and continue to try and take away all of our firearms.
It's not what I think, it's what the stats show. It isn't a contest, is it?Well than I must know the right people then. Two of my friends were attacked and severely injured by grizzly bears. They both lived to tell the story.
I was charged by a large grizzly back in 2020, unfortunately for the bear it was the last time she will charge anyone.........
So if it's as rare as you think, it's odd I know personally of at least two attacks.
My point is, it is not as rare as you think. Spend enough time in the woods, and your odds of an attack increase.
People win the lotto, and get struck by lightning "all the time".
It certainly doesn't make it a common occurrence.
R.,
The stats mean different things to different people.
To urban citiots they mean that the chances of it happening to them during their 4 to 10 days per year camping or hiking, is very small. And they are correct.
To rural people, especially those who hunt, fish and work in the bush, the chanxe of an encounter is greater for them in comparison to the average citiot. And they are correct.
I can't prove it but I think that many encounters that don't require the humans to seek medical treatment, go under reported, especially those which ended in firearm use on the problem animal in a remote location. There's a three letter acronym for this but I think its use is discouraged here.......
very recently in the lowermainland a guys dog chased after a black bear..... the bear returned chase on the dog and the owner tried to intervene. Then the bear attacked the guy and was on top of him on the ground. A group of fisherman nearby came to his aid and one of them attacked the bear from behind with his filetting knife and killed the bear.
So in reality...... the same scenario playing out with Jim and Murphy is totally with the realm of possibility. To me it would be foolish to think otherwise.
but animals rarely attack people LOL
Where I hunt blacktail deer there have been 2 grizzly attacks on humans in recent memory. One was very severe and those guys were lucky to be rescued off the mountain by professionals. Was actually warned by a CO in fall of 2023 about an agressive grizzly in the area I hunt and to be on my toes.
So in reality...... the same scenario playing out with Jim and Murphy is totally with the realm of possibility. To me it would be foolish to think otherwise.
but animals rarely attack people LOL
Where I hunt blacktail deer there have been 2 grizzly attacks on humans in recent memory. One was very severe and those guys were lucky to be rescued off the mountain by professionals. Was actually warned by a CO in fall of 2023 about an agressive grizzly in the area I hunt and to be on my toes.
Maybe he was tuckered out, fell asleep, and the Turkey Vultures found him!
Thunderhog
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The "shoot, shovel, shut-up", statement is a very real scenario. Animal attacks are in fact a lot more common than one thinks. As are nuisance animals who are destroyed and never reported.
Rman can believe want he wants to, it's his prerogative. Unfortunately his stats, or the stats he believes in are skewed.
My last few years in law enforcement was working as a Natural Resource Officer in BC. Working along side our Conservation Officer Service, I can tell you there are a lot more incidents not reported than the ones that are. The so-called stats do not mean squat!
Citiots and others who have no clue are a joke.
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The stats are the stats. They are facts. Not sure what the rural vs city thing has to do with it? Were we not talking about attacks and deaths? Not some Jed Clampet shooting a bear from under the old apple tree?
You don't need to prove it, as of course its an accurate statement. Off topic, but accurate.
R.
I'm going to change this response, hopefully for the better.
It has nothing to do with believe. Stats are facts, recorded by several different agencies. They would have to be recorded as received.
To clarify, again, we would be talking about attacks that resulted in significant injuries, hospitalization, and death.
Obviously your definition of common, is different than mine, and that's ok. More detail below.
R.
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Almost missed this.
A handful of stories, from millions of people in the woods. That would make it rare, no?
A little common sense, and an understanding of how stats work may be in order? In, just say, British Columbia, on any given day, how many people are in remote, semi remote, and rural areas? The answer of course, is lots. Hundreds of thousands? I don't really know. Are there deaths and injuries every day due to wildlife attacks? No. And even if there was an attack a day, against hundreds of thousands, that doesn't make it, what most would consider, common. There would be more people hurt doing most anything else.
The dog and bear thing gets mentioned a lot. How many times a year does this happen? A few, a dozen? Again, against the amount of folks and dogs running around, it wouldn't be considered common.
It should be added, that this is an outdoor forum. That means it's frequented by folks that probably spend an above average amount of time outside. That means that the folks they hang around with do as well, because that's how people work. So encounter, injury, and attack stories are going to be more prevalent here than average. That doesn't mean that the stats are wrong or incorrect, it only means that the sample group is smaller. Higher risk? Of course. That still doesn't make it an everyday or common occurrence.
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