Operation X-RAY - Brobee's 2024 Bonded Bullet Exploration
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Great video. I for one will always choose a lead core bullet over a mono bullet when ever I can. Ingesting small amounts of lead fragments is not as harmful as many make it out to be. They pass thru our systems. Lead is more of a concern when it's in the air as in an indoor shooting range.
It was nice to see the comparison between the fusion and the accubond. Isn't the fusion bullet and the grand slam the same? I recall reading that several times. Could be why you had trouble sourcing fusion bullets and to think of it I don't think I've seen them as a component bullet before either
It was nice to see the comparison between the fusion and the accubond. Isn't the fusion bullet and the grand slam the same? I recall reading that several times. Could be why you had trouble sourcing fusion bullets and to think of it I don't think I've seen them as a component bullet before either
Wicked! Well done, Brobee!
Personally made the switch to monos a while back not out of concern for people eating lead, but scavengers. It has a very measurable effect on birds, with lead levels rising and falling along with particularly successful vs normal hunting seasons here.
Personally made the switch to monos a while back not out of concern for people eating lead, but scavengers. It has a very measurable effect on birds, with lead levels rising and falling along with particularly successful vs normal hunting seasons here.
Sitting at my loading bench it came to me that I mistakenly said grand slam when I believe I meant deep curl
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- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Another great video Brobee, would love to see you do the same test but with a slow heavy bullet. Like a 45-70.
I love the fusion bullet, it shoots a ragged hole out of my 700. Would love to find it as just a bullet.
I love the fusion bullet, it shoots a ragged hole out of my 700. Would love to find it as just a bullet.
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- Banana Republik of Kebekistan
Superb work Brobee. Thank you for the troubles and sharing it.
I have been reluctant for years to use monolithic copper bullet but the evidences shown are telling me to revisit my hunting bullets selection.
I have been reluctant for years to use monolithic copper bullet but the evidences shown are telling me to revisit my hunting bullets selection.
Interesting question! We thought briefly about taking all the butchered and wrapped meat back to the xray machine to see, but were pretty tired after a season busier than usual.
Speculating on the extent to what was bloodshot vs what we saw on the X-rays, my guess is most of the bigger stuff is successfully culled by trimming bloodshot meat, but 30-50% of the really small stuff probably winds up on your plate.
Looks like they can go pretty far away from the wound track/blood clot alright.
Reminds me of studies I've read that generated some great images and documented just how far the fragments went from the bullet path, but its nice to be able to hear/see all the particulars of bullet weight, design, speed at impact, etc. Not to mention good hunting footage!
The amount of particulate which is too small or otherwise just not distinguished by radiography is interesting too
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0271987
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27966171/
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Have read lots of folks insisting that Federal Fusion are in fact some form of Speer - I regrettably have no good information to add.
Re small amounts of lead - I have lots of shooting and hunting friends who are properly trained medical doctors and medical researchers - I have asked them about this in the past and after soliciting their perspectives on what they chose to review and their professional opinions, they unanimously and independently inform me that there is no safe amount of lead ingestion for small or unborn children. The consequences of exposure for this demographic are damaged brain and nervous systems, then consequently learning disabilities + underdeveloped intellectual and emotional capacity.
Yes there is lots of nanny state, alarmism, Karen-itis, and folks generally loving to tell other folks what to do out there these days, compounded by mountains of misinformation and malevolent manipulation…hope folks don't feel like I’m insisting they behave a certain way. My rational for my behavior+personal decisions contemplates that even if there’s only a 2% chance that feeding lead-dust contaminated meat to my kids results in even mild impaired brain development, I can eliminate this risk completely by choosing to hunt with a different bullet, so I do.
I figured others might be interested in what I learned (particle distribution of lead fragment size with bonded bullets), hence my video project presenting radiography of bonded bullet shot deer. It won’t do anything to quell the gun community debate around whether or not lead is bad for you, but might shed some light on how far you have to go in culling tissues around the bullet terminal trajectory if you want to avoid ingestion of very small particles.
Appreciate you watching, appreciate you commenting, and also appreciate the opportunity for civilized discussion! Thanks again.
This was a super-interesting research project I was previously unaware of. Interesting that they found correlation between the location of the nano-particles and the location of small fragments still large enough to visibly see on the xray.
Also interesting + useful is their recommendation of the 10cm rule.
Had not imagined that some of the small lead nano particles are the result of precipitation/condensation of lead that is vaporized in the high energy high friction environment.
Thanks so much for sharing,
Brobee
