A little help, photo of W760
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Thanks for the photos guys. Good to know about H414, haven't used that one either. It looks identical to what I pulled. I. Going to get a pound of one of those 2 and work up a load a see what happens.
Yes, exactly this.
W760 and H414 are indeed the EXACT same powder. MSDS sheets do not lie, as the manufacturer &/or distributor do not want the liability.
This is a ridiculously useful resource for learning all sorts of stuff about smokeless. Pictures and complete technical data on most every powder out there.
https://ncfs.ucf.edu/powders/
https://ncfs.ucf.edu/powders/
You are wasting your time. There's about a 99% chance any given factory ammo is not loaded with cannister grade powder like 4350 or W760. The 1% where it is within cannister grade specification is a coincidence.
Some cartridges are loaded with commercial powder, like certain mostly "Match" ammunition from Federal and Hornady. The majority is not, to echo the others that already said it. I still recall a ridiculous argument with a certain "expert" here that insisted Norinco 55grn ball is loaded with BL-C(2). Not an equivalent or similar but legitimate BL-C(2), so you can't get through to some I guess.
Powders are made to a recipe. Each batch (usually 2,000 to 5,000 pounds) is tested and the buyer is supplied that data.
The sellers and buyers will say something like "I have 8,000 pounds of slow 4895 or 7,000 pounds of fast 4350. Which do you prefer?"
The buyer is loading 100,000 rounds of 308 and knows what the brand velocity calls for, and just loads the correct amount of an appropriate powder.
The powder makers have many recipes for powders in small increments in speeds. About every 5th step is earmarked as a canister speed and powders that are very similar to that speed are put aside for reloaders. The commercial buyers get the small incremental powders or the fast/slow versions of the canister powders.
The OP's powder might very well be 760, but it would be faster or slower than the cannister version, but he could use 760 to work up a good load. But the powder could be 755, which looks like 760, but is a bit faster.
Here is a partial list of the Winchester powders. The 844 is sold as H335. The 846 is sold as BLC2.
If you are ordering a full lot of powder, you can use your own recipe or make changes to the standard recipe. For example, I once ordered a lot of 4895, but ordered it be cut smaller. My short cut 4895 was supplied as 4896. It was used by many target shooters who found that it metered well.
The sellers and buyers will say something like "I have 8,000 pounds of slow 4895 or 7,000 pounds of fast 4350. Which do you prefer?"
The buyer is loading 100,000 rounds of 308 and knows what the brand velocity calls for, and just loads the correct amount of an appropriate powder.
The powder makers have many recipes for powders in small increments in speeds. About every 5th step is earmarked as a canister speed and powders that are very similar to that speed are put aside for reloaders. The commercial buyers get the small incremental powders or the fast/slow versions of the canister powders.
The OP's powder might very well be 760, but it would be faster or slower than the cannister version, but he could use 760 to work up a good load. But the powder could be 755, which looks like 760, but is a bit faster.
Here is a partial list of the Winchester powders. The 844 is sold as H335. The 846 is sold as BLC2.
If you are ordering a full lot of powder, you can use your own recipe or make changes to the standard recipe. For example, I once ordered a lot of 4895, but ordered it be cut smaller. My short cut 4895 was supplied as 4896. It was used by many target shooters who found that it metered well.
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I wonder how much Canam was ordering before SHTF and they got bumped so far back it just wasn't happening. It went so fast I figured it couldn't be much. Then again I think of how much I bought just myself so who knows? I don't think Chris bothers with this place any more.
The National Center for Forensic Science has a helpful database.
https://ncfs.ucf.edu/powders/search.php
Enter the powder's name in the product name filed and click search. Now you can look through the entries by clicking the sample detail & download section button.
https://ncfs.ucf.edu/powders/search.php
Enter the powder's name in the product name filed and click search. Now you can look through the entries by clicking the sample detail & download section button.
