What now for PCC?
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Bill Ruger was a complete fudd. Ruger didn't make an AR or high capacity mag until after he died and that is not a coincidence.
Mark
I had a similar thought. 9mm really doesn't gain much from a longer barrel, especially in comparison to something like 357mag. For a 9mm going from a Beretta 92 to a 18" S&W Carbine BBTI gained 116fps on average, while going from a 5" S&W revolver to a 16" win94 carbine they gained an impressive 567fps!
https://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
https://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html
But of course there are drawbacks. Cost of ammo stands out most to me. Cost of guns is a close 2nd.
The numbers don't lie, but applying all of that FPS boost to barrel length may not be the whole story.
The S&W 357 5" revolver has a cylinder gap. The Win94 16" is locking breach (with a barrel length close to ideal burn duration).
The Beretta 9mm 4.8" is delayed blowback. The S&W 9mm 18" Carbine is straight blowback (with a barrel length longer than ideal burn duration).
All true but there is the case volume issue too.
The 9mm was designed for smokeless powders so it's case volume is small compared to the larger, originally black powder .38 Sp and it's decendant the .357 Magnum.
Even if a comparison was done with a 1911 .357 Magnum (I so wish I'd bought one) and a carbine shooting fullhouse loads, I still think there would be a larger velocity increase than with a 9mm pairing.
Sure. But those are the types of guns most people are using. Most people are shooting 357mag from revolvers as handguns, and lever actions as rifles. Most people are shooting 9mm from locked breech handguns, and blowback rifles respectively.
I think the comparison is a very good example of what is going to happen in the real world. If you check BBI they have a 18" buntline they also used for 357mag velocities. I specifically choose not to include that, not because the velocities were lower than the 16" winchester (although they were) but because most people are not using 18" revolvers, they're using 16-20" lever guns. Similarly, the 16" Keltec and CX Storms in 9mm got slightly better velocities than the 18" S&W, but most 9mm PCCs are NR and thus closer to the 18" S&W.
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To be honest... this thread was about PCC competition rifles.....
Not much left for competition rifles and what there is doesn't appeal to me anyways. I honestly feel that unless the bans are overturned PCC is done and I am done with PCC.
An equally important question is, even with the options listed this thread, if you could get one where would you compete anyways? Looks like all PCC has been wiped for 2025.
PP doesn't really have to lift the ban right away as to not make to much noise right off the bat,BUT,,the Libtards did unknowingly leave a nice backdoor open that he can use to let us use ALL of currently prohibited toys,and he can do it quietly and in a way that nobody with half a brain will object to,and he could do it in the first week,using Turdo and his libtards own rules against him would be priceless.
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I'm still going to shoot PCC in club matches. Some of us enjoy it enough that we are willing to work with what is available. I get your take... But PCC is definitely not dead just wounded and maimed for the time being.
Time for rimfire rifle division maybe? I know it's a thing in the U.S and in parts of Europe (due to retarded laws kind of like ours).
I love PCC but to now have to go and purchase ANOTHER bunch of guns which probably wont work as well as what I used previously is off-putting for me.
Maybe rimfire is the answer but some of those have been banned too as they are "too scary". I have every confidence that trend will continue as long as the current band of ideological donkeys are in charge and take their advice on firearms from a bunch of jaded hysterical professional victims.
