always hoped for a larger mag for a 99/44 and my 96/44 but thos are stuck at 4 rnds, again demand-driven, they weren't gaming riflesLever action is your ticket.
A manual action PCC has no mag limit, but you'd need a proprietary magazine if you wanted to go the box mag route, and that pretty much makes it a non-starter because you have to sell a lot of magazines to recoup R&D costs and there simply isn't enough demand for such a product.
Bill Ruger was a complete fudd. Ruger didn't make an AR or high capacity mag until after he died and that is not a coincidence.always hoped for a larger mag for a 99/44 and my 96/44 but thos are stuck at 4 rnds, again demand-driven, they weren't gaming rifles
I work with a guy who mentioned he had a package show up at his house just a few days ago, it was a Ruger PCC.Owned my FPC for three weeks before it got banned.
For now, .357 mag levers and pumps.
They actually make more sense than 9mm as the velocity gain with .357 mag in carbine length barrels is much greater than with most 9mm carbine barrels.
I had a similar thought. 9mm really doesn't gain much from a longer barrel, especially in comparison to something like 357mag. For a 9mm going from a Beretta 92 to a 18" S&W Carbine BBTI gained 116fps on average, while going from a 5" S&W revolver to a 16" win94 carbine they gained an impressive 567fps!
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But of course there are drawbacks. Cost of ammo stands out most to me. Cost of guns is a close 2nd.
I had a similar thought. 9mm really doesn't gain much from a longer barrel, especially in comparison to something like 357mag. For a 9mm going from a Beretta 92 to a 18" S&W Carbine BBTI gained 116fps on average, while going from a 5" S&W revolver to a 16" win94 carbine they gained an impressive 567fps!
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But of course there are drawbacks. Cost of ammo stands out most to me. Cost of guns is a close 2nd.
The first version released in the 90s was called the Ruger Police Carbine.I liked that in the official OIC document, They actually called the Ruger PC carbine, Ruger "police" carbine....if I'm not mistaken, it stands more for personal carbine...shows how serious their research was.
I had a similar thought. 9mm really doesn't gain much from a longer barrel, especially in comparison to something like 357mag. For a 9mm going from a Beretta 92 to a 18" S&W Carbine BBTI gained 116fps on average, while going from a 5" S&W revolver to a 16" win94 carbine they gained an impressive 567fps!
All true but there is the case volume issue too.The numbers don't lie, but applying all of that FPS boost to barrel length may not be the whole story.
The S&W 357 5" revolver has a cylinder gap. The Win94 16" is locking breach (with a barrel length close to ideal burn duration).
The Beretta 9mm 4.8" is delayed blowback. The S&W 9mm 18" Carbine is straight blowback (with a barrel length longer than ideal burn duration).
The numbers don't lie, but applying all of that FPS boost to barrel length may not be the whole story.
The S&W 357 5" revolver has a cylinder gap. The Win94 16" is locking breach (with a barrel length close to ideal burn duration).
The Beretta 9mm 4.8" is delayed blowback. The S&W 9mm 18" Carbine is straight blowback (with a barrel length longer than ideal burn duration).
To be honest... this thread was about PCC competition rifles.....
I'm still going to shoot PCC in club matches. Some of us enjoy it enough that we are willing to work with what is available. I get your take... But PCC is definitely not dead just wounded and maimed for the time being.Not much left for competition rifles and what there is doesn't appeal to me anyways. I honestly feel that unless the bans are overturned PCC is done and I am done with PCC.
An equally important question is, even with the options listed this thread, if you could get one where would you compete anyways? Looks like all PCC has been wiped for 2025.
I love PCC but to now have to go and purchase ANOTHER bunch of guns which probably wont work as well as what I used previously is off-putting for me.I'm still going to shoot PCC in club matches. Some of us enjoy it enough that we are willing to work with what is available. I get your take... But PCC is definitely not dead just wounded and maimed for the time being.
Time for rimfire rifle division maybe? I know it's a thing in the U.S and in parts of Europe (due to retarded laws kind of like ours).