Browning B-SS sidelock?

sillymike said:
While searching for more details about these, I kind of stumble on some Miroku sidelock identified as "My Luck"... kind of a weird name if you ask me, but something probably got lost in the translation

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Become my luck?
 
Ashcroft said:
Not to fault the quality but the perception of the time was that the Japanese mostly built cheap junk. This perception persisted until they built a solid reputation with their motorcycles and finally their cars. Browning managed to build a solid reputation for their consumer grade guns but they couldn’t crack the luxury market.
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Tried going into the Japanese SxS rabbit hole... but there really isn't much out there in either English of French.
- In the House of Churchill book, they mention him going over to Japan to sell some XXV and introduced the "Imperial" grade to please them... and he mentioned being impressed by the craftsmanship of Japanese best-gun. There are a few mentions of Japanese building their own XXV... But nothing on the web?!?!

- Google will give you some mention of Kasuga...

Kodensha/NIkko (but mostly talking about the 101 they used to build) / Miroku / SKB, plenty of info... but all post-WW2
 
Ashcroft said:
I had one for awhile, it was a very nice gun to look at, to handle and to shoot. It seemed to be overpriced for a ‘Japanese’ gun. Not to fault the quality but the perception of the time was that the Japanese mostly built cheap junk. This perception persisted until they built a solid reputation with their motorcycles and finally their cars. Browning managed to build a solid reputation for their consumer grade guns but they couldn’t crack the luxury market.
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japan never made cheap junk and we're always regarded as quality manufactures
guns cars motorcycles tools
not sure how you determined that they madd junk
they are still ahead of every world manufacture
 
struff55 said:
japan never made cheap junk and we're always regarded as quality manufactures
guns cars motorcycles tools
not sure how you determined that they madd junk
they are still ahead of every world manufacture
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Yeah, after WWII the Japanese were turning out cheap trinkets and such and 'Made in Japan' became a joke, but by the time the BSS came out there, they were turning out cars that ran for 300,000 miles, wrist watches that kept split second time and are still running, and electronics second to none. If they've lost that again now, it's because their baby boom generation is aging out with rather few replacements. And of course part of that is that they don't accept hordes of foreigners.
 
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struff55 said:
japan never made cheap junk and we're always regarded as quality manufactures
guns cars motorcycles tools
not sure how you determined that they madd junk
they are still ahead of every world manufacture
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There is a reason why the term "made in Japan" was used derisively in the 1960s and 1970s to denote cheap quality. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember. A lot of what they exported at that time and what North Americans were prepared to buy was opening price point cheaply made stuff. It's how they got their foot in the door. Much like South Korea several decades later.
 
canvasback said:
There is a reason why the term "made in Japan" was used derisively in the 1960s and 1970s to denote cheap quality. Perhaps you aren't old enough to remember. A lot of what they exported at that time and what North Americans were prepared to buy was opening price point cheaply made stuff. It's how they got their foot in the door. Much like South Korea several decades later.
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trinkets and junk are not the same thing
i'm 69
they were building quality machines equipment and outboard engines when other countries were using paddles for there boats
look at the equipment they had at war time way ahead of everyone
 
struff55 said:
trinkets and junk are not the same thing
i'm 69
they were building quality machines equipment and outboard engines when other countries were using paddles for there boats
look at the equipment they had at war time way ahead of everyone
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Yes but what did they export to NA? What was the average North American's experience.

It's not a question of could or did they make quality stuff. It is a question of what was the North American perception at the time. What BB and I are saying is fact. There was a perception of cheapness and that's where the term 'Made in Japan" got it's connotation. Sure didn't mean "quality $hit" in the late 1960s
 
My wife had a 1966 Toyoglide it was not in any way shape or form comparable to the NA cars of the time .I had a 1966 Belvedere which ran to 160,00 miles and spent a few days of my life trying to keep that metric wonder Toyota on the road. Perhaps it was only the export ones that had that many issues .but issues it did have but i do like Japanese firearms Arisaka 99 comes to mind
 
canvasback said:
Yes but what did they export to NA? What was the average North American's experience.

It's not a question of could or did they make quality stuff. It is a question of what was the North American perception at the time. What BB and I are saying is fact. There was a perception of cheapness and that's where the term 'Made in Japan" got it's connotation. Sure didn't mean "quality $hit" in the late 1960s
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Much the same as China's reputation for cheap stuff now. Post ww2 Japan produced a lot of cheaply made goods for export mainly because their manufacturing base was in ruins courtesy of the US Air Force. They earned a reputation for taking western products, copying them and in the end producing goods that were superior to western stuff.
 
FLHTCUI said:
Pictures ?
Oh and congrats on your recent purchase.
Rob
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Thanks, Attached are some pics from the store and a very thorough article from Double Gun Shop Forum. My Gun has the second engraving pattern, showing game birds, and was from the last production year 1987. Very tight, hardly used. Tried it out at the skeet range and works fine. Just need to shoot it more to loosen things up a little and get the hang of using double triggers.
 

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pinepointer said:
Thanks, Attached are some pics from the store and a very thorough article from Double Gun Shop Forum. My Gun has the second engraving pattern, showing game birds, and was from the last production year 1987. Very tight, hardly used. Tried it out at the skeet range and works fine. Just need to shoot it more to loosen things up a little and get the hang of using double triggers.
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pinepointer, thank you once again for humouring my pic request and am truly impressed when members do follow up with said request.
I missed these guns back in the day as I thought the nly shot gun to have was an 870 Wingmaster in a magnum.
A sheltered life I led.
That is some nice wood an worthy of the "show some grain" thread.
What ammo you going to run through it?
Rob
 
FLHTCUI said:
pinepointer, thank you once again for humouring my pic request and am truly impressed when members do follow up with said request.
I missed these guns back in the day as I thought the nly shot gun to have was an 870 Wingmaster in a magnum.
A sheltered life I led.
That is some nice wood an worthy of the "show some grain" thread.
What ammo you going to run through it?
Rob
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Probably light loads for targets and 1 oz 6's for birds, nothing too hot.
 
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