Shotgun barrel length - how much does it matter?

Hey man, thanks for all your videos. I really appreciate all your work and am hoping that you can at least include the "Challenger Magnum" slugs in your research. I think that would make sense since it's the most commonly available rifled slug in Canada that has sufficient penetration for bear defense. JMO, and all the best.
+1 to Challenger 2 3/4” magnum slugs, would love to see them in the lineup.

I know you already have a 12” barrel on the way Jason but I’ll offer it to you regardless, I have a 12” Grizzly barrel that’s been threaded for chokes. If you need a choked barrel to test accuracy I would be happy to lend it to you free of charge, it’s not for sale but if you need something other than a cyl bore to use for this next video just holler.
 
Butcher bill - so appreciate that offer, will see how I make out in the early days once my cylinder bore barrel arrives and reach out if I think I’ve got need for one that takes different chokes.

Re Challenger Magnum - will start looking for some.

Cheers,

Brobee
 
Butcher bill - so appreciate that offer, will see how I make out in the early days once my cylinder bore barrel arrives and reach out if I think I’ve got need for one that takes different chokes.

Re Challenger Magnum - will start looking for some.

Cheers,

Brobee
If you need it just say the word, I’ve got cyl, imp cyl, mod, imp mod and full chokes for it. It’s got a ramped bead sight so it shoots point of aim pretty nicely for a short barrel. I’m happy to let you use it for testing purposes if you need it.
 
If you need it just say the word, I’ve got cyl, imp cyl, mod, imp mod and full chokes for it. It’s got a ramped bead sight so it shoots point of aim pretty nicely for a short barrel. I’m happy to let you use it for testing purposes if you need it.
Would love to see a pic of it to see how you’ve set up bead sight height!
 
Here’s a thread about cutting down the factory front sight, it’s been a fun barrel. It’s loud, ear pro is a must lol. It’s pretty bang on poa/poi out to 50m from my testing, I swat grouse on the road with it regularly.

If you have further questions ask away.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/bubba-came-by-tonight-and-brought-his-hacksaw.1817789/

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Got out and made a mountain of empty hulls, muzzle ejected detritus spewed everywhere, used the entire battery of my Garmin, and bruised my shoulder pretty bad. 200+ rounds fired, through a variety of different barrel lengths starting at 12.5", moving through 14", 18", 21", 24", and finishing with 26". Most-all barrels were either cylinder bore or improved cylinder, with the exception of the 14" barrel which has a factory fixed mod as it came from an 870 police. Made sure to get at least 4 velocity readings for each ammo-type / barrel pairing, used the average when generating chart below.

5 second summary: barrel length does somewhat matter. So does choke. Also, if you want to light the bush on fire, Herter's is your brand!

Spent the last part of the day with the chronograph progressively further downrange, will process that data later this weekend, although it is incomplete as I was only able to get datasets for distances at-the-muzzle, 25 meters, 50 meters, and 75 meters. Need to finish 75 meters and 100 meters.


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^^^That's a significant performance increase from 12" to 24" barrels, pretty much across the board.

Barrel length matters. I was told 18" was the honey spot, but clearly 24" is.
 
Barrel length matters. I was told 18" was the honey spot, but clearly 24" is.

Agree wholeheartedly re sweet spot in the dimension of maximum muzzle velocity across slug sample population above.

I think impact velocity is also an important dimension, and my past experience early in my gun/hunting journey via killing some large animals at very close range has imprinted on me that in some circumstances, too much velocity on a rifled slug can be a bad thing.

Shot at a distance of 7 yards, after passing through his shoulder, the 1600fps Winchester super-x slug out of an 18” barreled gun “rolled” around the ribcage of a medium sized young bull a rancher had asked me to kill, and pilled up on the backside, just under the skin without penetrating. It was horrible to see him standing there bawling and a couple more to the head were sadly needed to finish him.

The recovered slug was completely pancaked, like a toonie in diameter, but with a hole through the center. It was flabbergasting to see that kind of deflection, as well as that kind of deformation.

A couple years later I had a similar black bear hunting horror experience with a Remington Slugger 1600fps foster slug

That experience saw me re-create the phenomenon in ballistics gel for my YouTube channel (
), and I’ll try to re-create it again this summer as I check out terminal performance of a couple of the slugs above.

When I post the down range velocity data over the next few days you’ll be able to see that this style of slug has cr@p aerodynamics, and as such bleeds speed very quickly. So much so that the pancake issue really only presents at very close range…like what you would experience if you were in the dreaded bear attack scenario that so stirs our collective Canadian imaginations.

I’m curious if most foster slug manufacturers/packagers use very soft lead, or if there is some variability across the brands in this department? Something to check out in the future. Anyway, the experiences I talk about above have calibrated my personal preference for max impact velocity around 1400fps.
 
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Agree wholeheartedly re sweet spot in the dimension of maximum muzzle velocity across slug sample population above.

I think impact velocity is also an important dimension, and my past experience early in my gun/hunting journey via killing some large animals at very close range has imprinted on me that in some circumstances, too much velocity on a rifled slug can be a bad thing.

Shot at a distance of 7 yards, after passing through his shoulder, the 1600fps Winchester super-x slug out of an 18” barreled gun “rolled” around the ribcage of a medium sized young bull a rancher had asked me to kill, and pilled up on the backside, just under the skin without penetrating. It was horrible to see him standing there bawling and a couple more to the head were sadly needed to finish him.

The recovered slug was completely pancaked, like a toonie in diameter, but with a hole through the center. It was flabbergasting to see that kind of deflection, as well as that kind of deformation.

A couple years later I had a black bear hunting horror experience with a Remington Slugger 1600fps foster slug

That experience saw me re-create the phenomenon in ballistics gel for my YouTube channel (
), and I’ll try to re-create it again this summer as I check out terminal performance of a couple of the slugs above.

When I post the down range velocity data over the next few days you’ll be able to see that this style of slug has cr@p aerodynamics, and as such bleed speed very quickly. So much so that the pancake issue really only presents at very close range…like what you would experience if you were in the dreaded bear attack scenario that so stirs our collective Canadian imaginations.

I’m curious if most foster slug manufacturers/packagers use very soft lead, or if there is some variability across the brands in this department? Something to check out in the future. Anyway, the experiences I talk about above have calibrated my personal preference for max impact velocity around 1400fps.
Very informative. Your efforts are appreciated.
 

Great work Brobee. Thanks for sharing! Two thumbs up!!

Ok, so here is what I am seeing ….. or my interpretation of this graph.
  1. Low recoil or “tactical” slugs are less affected by barrel length. They operate roughly within plus or minus 100 fps.
  2. High velocity slugs or “hunting slugs” are affected more by barrel length and operate roughly in a rage of plus or minus 200 fps and depending on barrel length.

Now I am wondering how significant this is??

I guess low recoil or “tactical” slugs are intended for shorter range engagements. So penetration and drop/accuracy should not be as big of an issue.

But, for the high velocity or “hunting slugs” I am wondering how significant plus or minus 200 fps really are??
  • How much more drop do you get at 100 meters with 200 fps less?
  • And how much less penetration do you get at 100 meters with 200 fps less?
  • And would there be an impact on accuracy with 200 fps less?

And how significant is that difference in comparison to all the other variables …. like slug design …. aerodynamics of the slug … lead hardness …. accuracy of the slug design … shot placement …. size of the animal/game …. etc …. ??

Hmmmmmm ........ ????? I guess I am wondering .....

p.s.: One of my observations with the Federal Truball slugs is that the high velocity version (1600 fps) is more accurate than the tactical, low recoil version (1300 fps), despite the fact that all the components are identical, except for the powder and powder load .... and this out of several of my guns with the same barrel length .... all 18.5 inches. So that is an advertised 300 fps difference.
 
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Another callout to the awesome CGN community - my supply of Rio Brenneke slugs is perilously low - enough I might not be able to finish my project.

Wondering if anyone in the Calgary area has 5-10 boxes they’d be willing to trade for some combination of Federal Flitecontrol 00, Remington Reduced Recoil 00, Hornady American Whitetail Rifled Slug, or Remington Reduced Recoil Rifled Slug?

Best,

Brobee
 
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...and just because it's interesting, here's some (still incomplete) downrange velocity data. I have to get back out for a range session with the chronograph at 100 meters, but there's enough data to see all these slugs have VERY similar BCs, and as such it's probably safe to infer further downrange data by sliding over (to the right) lines from the lower velocity rounds until they overlap the curves of the higher velocity rounds. I have a couple boxes of Hornady American Gunner, maybe on my next range session I'll add them to the data set to round out the lower end.

0faustus0 - the curves are also useful in framing up thoughts around what you might be giving up if you accept the 100 to 200fps penalty associated with barrels on the extreme and of short.


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Another callout to the awesome CGN community - my supply of Rio Brenneke slugs is perilously low - enough I might not be able to finish my project.

Wondering if anyone in the Calgary area has 5-10 boxes they’d be willing to trade for some combination of Federal Flitecontrol 00, Remington Reduced Recoil 00, Hornady American Whitetail Rifled Slug, or Remington Reduced Recoil Rifled Slug?

Best,

Brobee

Brobee ... Siwashs in BC and CSC seem to have Rio Brennekes in stock .... at least according to their websites ......

siwashsports.ca

store.theshootingcentre.com
 
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