Getting a PAL/RPAL with history of depression

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Hi all. Bit of a sensitive question from someone new to firearms and this community, but who has been interested in getting a license for a while. I hope this is an okay question to post because I’m looking for advice/perspective. I hope this question is okay to ask on here.

Like I mentioned, I've been interested in acquiring a firearms license for some time now but have finally started taking the steps to do so. My dad used to hunt and target shoot, and I did the latter with him once and enjoyed it and have always been distantly interested in firearms.

I've booked a safety course for the end of the month and was very excited for it, but I started looking even more into the applications process and of course came across the personal question around mental health. I started dealing with depression as a teenager and it got worse in my late teens, early twenties. I don't remember if I got formally diagnosed as my doctor situation was unideal (more on that later), but I was given anti-depressants. When I was 20, I attempted suicide. This was somewhat a half-hearted attempt; I just swallowed a small handful of my anti-depressants and 20 minutes later freaked out, called a friend and went to the hospital. I was put under a Form 1 in Ontario so they could keep me there for 24 hours, however I was released in less than that after consulting a doctor and psychiatrist who deemed me as no risk. Since then I have not had any other attempts. About 5 years later, in 2020, I stopped taking my anti-depressants and slowly weaned off them. I never found them to help a whole lot (for me personally) and felt a lot better without them in many ways. I won't lie and say I never feel a bit depressed or have low spirits from time to time, but it's nothing like I felt in my teens and early 20s.

The problem is, I'm not sure if I'd be able to get a doctors note to verify this. The doctors who prescribed me medication in my 20s were doctors on my university campus. I didn't really have a family doctor or even one single doctor I saw at that time. I don't remember their names and even if I could find them, they wouldn't remember me or be able to speak to the progress I've made with my mental health since. I JUST started seeing a new family doctor this past month, however I've only had one appointment with him and he does not know me well yet. We didn't talk about mental health at all. It isn't as much of an issue for me so I didn't bring it up (though I did write depression/anxiety) on my intake form.

I'm prepared to fully disclose all this on my application, and am wondering what the odds are of acquiring my firearms license is. I'll be 30 by the time I put together the application. The suicide attempt happened almost 10 years ago, and the last few years I've seen my mental health improve. I am confident in myself that I will not use a gun, or anything, to harm myself. My fiance who I live with is very supportive of me getting my license (he was also the friend who I called when I was 20). I'm not even sure I will be rushing to get a gun right away (due to small apartment storage issues), I mostly want to learn to use one and have the ability to get one if I want in the future. Would love any input about this. Thank you so much for reading.
 
All you can do is try. Given the timeline I would expect it to cause you problems, but not get you outright rejected. Might be required to get a doctor to sign off or something for example.
 
All you can do is try. Given the timeline I would expect it to cause you problems, but not get you outright rejected. Might be required to get a doctor to sign off or something for example.
Thanks for your response. I do expect it to at the very least take me longer to be approved, but I’m hoping to not get fully rejected given my current life circumstances. I am worried about not being able to get a doctors note though given I don’t have a long standing relationship with mine. But I suppose I could ask.
 
Take your time if needed. If it takes time with this doctor or another that is just that.

Don't give up.

Welcome to the forum.
Thank you, this is really encouraging. My biggest fears are being outright rejected or having to jump through millions of hurdles only to be rejected. This is making me feel hopeful if I just give it time. Super appreciated :)
 
Thank you, this is really encouraging. My biggest fears are being outright rejected or having to jump through millions of hurdles only to be rejected. This is making me feel hopeful if I just give it time. Super appreciated :)

Yes expect hoops to jump through. Just the nature of the game, being honest. Most of the gun owners I know, are all Vets, or LEO with disclosed mental health. I havent had a doctor, psychiatrist or psychologist have an issue with me being a gun owner.
 
Yes expect hoops to jump through. Just the nature of the game, being honest. Most of the gun owners I know, are all Vets, or LEO with disclosed mental health. I havent had a doctor, psychiatrist or psychologist have an issue with me being a gun owner.
Hoops are okay and expected. A rejection would just be really unfortunate. But yes that’s good to know, I didn’t even consider that there would be many gun owning vets who might have their own mental health histories. Thank you!
 
I would try to find one of your sponsors/references in public service. Having someone who knows you who has a background in public service or even better federal service will go a long way. They have credibility that is recognized. My cousin had a federal security clearance and was one of my references. Cheers and good luck.
 
There is a form that doctors must fill out to confirm that their patient was well at the time of their conversation. It’s a simple and stress-free process. If an emergency call is made regarding mental health, authorities may seize your guns and return them once the doctor completes the form again. I’ve seen friends go through this process.
 
Hoops are okay and expected. A rejection would just be really unfortunate. But yes that’s good to know, I didn’t even consider that there would be many gun owning vets who might have their own mental health histories. Thank you!
But I also knew of one that had MH, they pulled his license. Then a doctor signed off giving him his license back and he immediately bought a gun to murder his family and kill himself. Then knew another that they took his guns.
 
Hi, I've gone through this process. You will need a sign-off from your doctor ensuring you are in good mental standing and that they trust you, from there you'll need to pass the background checks. Expect it to take a very very long time, I would send in that paperwork ahead of time instead of waiting for them to ask you for it.

The process for me meant it took a year and a half to get my PAL/RPAL instead of 1.5/3 months so expect heavy delays, hence why I said to send in that paperwork first. Best of luck, it's still doable but it's going to take CONSIDERABLY longer.
 
Hi, I've gone through this process. You will need a sign-off from your doctor ensuring you are in good mental standing and that they trust you, from there you'll need to pass the background checks. Expect it to take a very very long time, I would send in that paperwork ahead of time instead of waiting for them to ask you for it.

The process for me meant it took a year and a half to get my PAL/RPAL instead of 1.5/3 months so expect heavy delays, hence why I said to send in that paperwork first. Best of luck, it's still doable but it's going to take CONSIDERABLY longer.
Thank you! What are the background checks, if you can recall? And as for the letter is there some standardized letter or do I just ask my doctor to write that they trust me, essentially? Did they call your references and ask them questions about that? Thanks for the expectations in the timeline, I figured it would take a bit longer but good to know it could take that long.
 
There is a form that doctors must fill out to confirm that their patient was well at the time of their conversation. It’s a simple and stress-free process. If an emergency call is made regarding mental health, authorities may seize your guns and return them once the doctor completes the form again. I’ve seen friends go through this process.
Is the form something I can find to give to my doctor? I tried to look one up but wasn’t exactly sure what to search for. And that’s very fair and expected, though not something I’m worried about. My mental health is a lot better than it’s ever been and I’m grateful for that but I understand there is a history when I was not doing as well.
 
But I also knew of one that had MH, they pulled his license. Then a doctor signed off giving him his license back and he immediately bought a gun to murder his family and kill himself. Then knew another that they took his guns.
That’s brutal. I work in a field that addresses family violence and we hear about that sometimes. It’s really hard and I understand why there needs to be a lot of checks and proof that someone will be safe while owning a gun and even then you can’t be sure.
 
Is the form something I can find to give to my doctor? I tried to look one up but wasn’t exactly sure what to search for. And that’s very fair and expected, though not something I’m worried about. My mental health is a lot better than it’s ever been and I’m grateful for that but I understand there is a history when I was not doing as well.
You’ll have to call Miramichi to be transferred to your CFO, they’ll be able to help you out
 
Thank you! What are the background checks, if you can recall? And as for the letter is there some standardized letter or do I just ask my doctor to write that they trust me, essentially? Did they call your references and ask them questions about that? Thanks for the expectations in the timeline, I figured it would take a bit longer but good to know it could take that long.
I believe there is a standardized form. Your doctor should be able to provide one to be filled out or the RCMP will provide it to be done eventually. I did a check of the available forms on the RCMP site and couldn't find the form, but I do recall being given one. Whatever it is you'd probably be best to request it directly from your CFO when applying, then to fax it once received and filled.
 
I believe there is a standardized form. Your doctor should be able to provide one to be filled out or the RCMP will provide it to be done eventually. I did a check of the available forms on the RCMP site and couldn't find the form, but I do recall being given one. Whatever it is you'd probably be best to request it directly from your CFO when applying, then to fax it once received and filled.
Thanks for looking! I also tried to find one but didn’t come up with anything so I think I’ll give them a call soon and see if I can get one. That makes me feel better that there’s a standard form and not just me and my doctor trying to type something out to the best of our abilities, lol
 
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