The allure of the British gun

- Any other lovers of British guns out there?

Why would someone not love British guns?!?
I'm thinking about getting one. One just a few years newer and with mineral-stained grain like this appeals to me verrry much.
For me personally the allure is not in factory guns made after the Edwardian era (British or otherwise), but rather the amazing diversity and quality of the hand made guns that came before. I love that they are remarkably good value, are fine tools that I can still enjoy using today, and that there are so many resources in my own language to learn more about them. This forum and contributors like Steve being among those resources.
The big house names don't mean that much to me. If a Purdey or Woodward best gun is worth 5 x that of a similar quality gun from a lesser known maker, well I'll take 5 of the lesser knowns please.

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No country has a monopoly on craftsmanship, and examples of fine gunmaking can be seen in quite a few countries, I am ready to admit. Gunmaking has also greatly progressed and evolved in techniques and materials over the last 170 years, and we are the beneficiary of this. But, 98% of the time, every country's very best outputs are copies of 19th-century British designs and forms. To put it in a modern linguistic/CGN context, every boxlock is a Westley Richards clone and every sidelock is also a clone, whose origins depend on a few minor differentiating features, like safeties and ejectors. OK, not quite the same as Turkish and Chinese clones, where cost-cutting is the objective, but the intellectual property is what's being copied, and copied widely.

(The 2% would include the Darnes and the Ideals and the Collaths and the trigger-plate actions and other outside-the-box designs whose production has largely ceased for financial reasons.)

The one British flourish rarely copied abroad is the bar-in-wood gun, where metal is reduced, and wood is maximized. Mostly the preserve of hammerguns, but also found on MacNaughton trigger-plate hammerless guns (which I would love to own), the bar-in-wood takes the chemistry of metallurgy, the physics of recoil absorption, and the skill of stock-making right to the edge-- it shouldn't work, but it does. To borrow a term from the watch-making world, these guns have complications. Such complications are unnecessary because they don't have a practical use, as it is easier, cheaper, and maybe even smarter to do it another way. Still, they are fascinating and technically impressive for it. Top that, foreign makers and clone-artists!

John Rigby & Co. bar-in-wood, Needham sidelever:
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Parker, Field & Sons bar-in-wood:
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Wesley Richards bar-in-wood:
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Ahhh...bar in wood. The Ne Plus Ultra. Especially the MacNaughton. A friend has a Purdey bar in wood and I sadly missed my opportunity to acquire a Parisian made Roblin bar in wood with Bernard Damascus barrels. I ended up with a Roblin sidelock.....lovely gun but not quite the panache of the bar in wood. I'm interested to hear you say, Steve, that very few other than the Brits made bar in wood. Did not know that.
 
Here’s an interesting article concerning the notion of a ‘best gun’:

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/what-does-a-best-gun-actually-mean-137374/

Enjoy!

Thanks for posting, mbatten. Two quotes stand out to me in Diggory Hadoke's article:

"To be ‘best’, every stage of production has to be of the highest standard: both workmanship and materials. If it is not the work of the best craftsmen, it probably won’t be a best gun. If it is made from materials that were not the best then available, it probably won’t be a best gun."

"A gun built by the hands very skilled men, working to the best of their abilities with the finest materials, creating a work of art that functions perfectly, comes to life in the hands of its wielder and develops more character as it ages: that is a best gun."


No gunmaker had a monopoly on fine craftsmen or materials, which is why lesser-known makers could produce 'best' guns, if the client wanted such.

Here is an Edward Paton of Perth, Scotland, from 1863, virtually indistinguishable in quality and construction from Boss & Co. guns at the time. Enough so that Paton, not a famous name, was gunmaker to Prince Albert, Queen Victoria's consort.
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So close to 2000 views. This is off-topic perhaps but has been playing in my head for a few weeks now, leading me to listen again to all the Waterboys albums that have come since. I hear it and think of the loss of the Birmingham gun quarter and all the skilled labour force that is no more or so drastically reduced
Mike Scott's 1984? "Old England" lament from when their sound was Big Music:
 
As a young guy hanging around gun clubs (trap boy) there was a "Rhodie" who had the greatest collection of "best" guns that I can ever remember. He always took great pain to explain to me a new is better guy just what went into the creation of such fine pieces .I regret not listening more but now having acquired a few of my own I too try and show some of the well younger than me the art and craftmanship that goes into these fine British pieces, although I do not restrict it to just British. He was an interesting fellow flew for the RAF in the Battle of Britain as well as Malta Spitfires and Hurricanes told me when he landed in 1945 and de mobbed did not fly ever again as a pilot.
 
These two shotguns got hunted pretty danged hard last fall, the boxlock got a real workout as it is a newer gun and I wanted to see just how it did in the field. It is an 1899 Vintage Westley Richards and a very nice shooter.
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Londonshooter hit on an interesting subject with his pineapple finials (well, interesting to me, at least), so I can spare a few minutes for some thoughts on the matter.

Fine British guns are heaping with symbolism, some subtle, some not so much. In the 16th and 17th centuries the pineapple was the greatest of status symbols, as only the very rich could dream of affording one. Pineapple motifs abounded in architecture, famously decorating such iconic buildings as London’s St Paul’s cathedral, and many of the great houses. What better way to denote exclusivity and social status than to have pineapple decorations on your flintlock and percussion fowling pieces and pistols?

The study of symbolism, or semiotics, is a recognized discipline. It has been applied to many areas of study, such as architecture and the decorative arts. Curiously, little has been written on symbolism in gunmaking, despite its rich potential-- harnessing the power of fire and explosion, and all that. It is certainly worth looking at a few examples.

It wasn’t before the large-scale production of sporting arms at the end of the 19th century and through the 20th century that the average person could afford to buy one, and afford a place to shoot one. Looking at the price of fine guns and the cost of driven shoots in Britain today, it is still the domain of the well-heeled, though clay sports have made the pastime more affordable to many. In North America shooting had its roots in putting meat on the table, and the profusion of utilitarian guns made gun ownership a more egalitarian affair. During much of the Victorian period in Britain though (1837-1901), sporting guns were expensive and exclusive, and the ‘best’ guns were reserved for the rich and powerful.

The Victorians were obsessed with the past, while revelling in what they saw as modernity and technology. The well-off had the benefit of a classical education, as their foundation for developing critical thinking, moral reasoning, and leadership qualities; to put it another way, everything Greek and Roman was cool. The Victorians were very much into symbology, applying this ‘language’ to jewellery, flowers and gardening, furniture, and other everyday objects. While most gun-making craftsmen would have lacked a classical education, they were nonetheless skilled in their craft, and part of the growing movement centred around science and manufacturing. It was smart marketing on their part to include classical decorative flourishes, deep in meaning, to guns aimed at the classically-educated. Such was already the case with jewellery, and therefore jewellers, adept at the tricky task of engraving curved metal surfaces, were drafted to shape and engrave classical motifs on guns. Whereas sculpting of wood and deep engraving was to be found on Continental guns, British guns tended to have subtle shaping of wood and shallower engraving so as to not detract from the flowing lines of the gun.

The go-to design on British guns was the acanthus leaf. Acanthus is a group of spiny flowering plants common in the Mediterranean basin, and the Greeks and the Romans greatly used the acanthus leaf motif in architectural decoration. According to Greek mythology, the nymph Acantha was transformed into an acanthus plant by Apollo as punishment for rejecting his unwanted amorous advances and viciously scratching his face. The flower symbolized new life and growth. Use of the acanthus leaf in decoration was continued in Byzantine architecture, Medieval sculpture and wood carving, decorations in illuminated manuscripts, in Renaissance works, and on through to the Victorian era where acanthus leaf patterns can be seen almost everywhere. It is not surprising that the acanthus leaf appeared on guns aimed at the Greek- and Roman-obsessed.

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The Greeks also favoured the anthemion, a flat, radiating/repetitive floral ornament (though some argue this was derived from the ancient Egyptian lotus-leaf palmette). Combine acanthus and the anthemion, and you get the flowing scrolls one associates with British gun engraving.

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Usually the only sculpting that appeared on British hammer guns were the hammers, and this was done quite subtly. A popular Victorian decorative motif was the dolphinfish (mahi-mahi, dorado), first named and described during the voyages of Sir Walter Raleigh in the 1580s, but also appearing in Greek art since at least 1600 BCE. The dolphinfish was a common pattern on hammer noses; why, I have no idea. Just remember that the descriptive term ‘dolphin hammers’ refers to dolphinfish, and not the marine mammal.

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Another hammer motif was the Mute swan, a symbol of grace and fidelity, which had the advantage of incorporating the ‘cap guard’ of the percussion hammer as the bird’s beak. The cap guard was a hold-over feature from percussion gun hammers, meant to deflect flying bits of copper cap. British gunmaking has always included features from the past as a means of implying continuity of design, and many hammers on Edwardian guns and later modern ones still have this unnecessary feature.

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So, Victorian sporting guns were awash with classical symbolism and meaningful flourishes, aimed at pleasing the eyes of rich patrons brought up on Greco-Roman imagery and the hidden language of symbols. Another reason to appreciate British sporting guns.
 
Leda and the Swan from Greek mythology was a common motif in antique meerschaum pipes.
Gist of the story being that Zeus transformed himself into a Swan to seduce Leda!
Maybe Zeus was known to transform into a swan on other occasions and those swan hammers have a Zeus connection?
Might be a stretch though!
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I recently read Birmingham Gunmakers.
It was a great read and I highly recommend it.....although Tate does seem excessively critical of WW Greener....but then again those are a pair of Greeners on the cover :)
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It was a fascinating read.
A great insight into the industry, relaying its history and those of the businesses and families, as well as the working lives of the trades people.
Mention of the Mckinley Tariffs of 1890 and the affect on Birmingham sure resonated with respect to today.
 
This is the best thread on cgn. And no fighting or name calling. Imagine that.
Thanks, Mike. This subforum is the only one I spend time in, as members here are frequently knowledgeable, interested and kind. Other parts of CGN… well, I keep out of it as best I can. In my eight years with CGN I’ve only been called a know-nothing fudd old-timer retard once, which is pretty good going, I think. Of course I am a fudd, definitely a senior citizen, and hold no claim to absolute knowledge (just a desire to learn).

I am also sitting in hospital recovering from surgery, and I seem to still have my faculties, for now, though no access to my home computer. My musings on British guns will resume shortly once I get home; I am not quite finished with decorative symbology.

PS. Interesting pipes, ParksPipes!
 
Seems like civility in the age of online buffoonery has taken a back seat. Their is a core group on here that have a lot of knowledge to share( not me) and some have been here for years. Not many forums where you can post a pic of some ancient gun part and in a day someone will reply with an identification. Hope you get out of hospital quickly. No place to hang around.
 
Sorry to hear about your stint in the hospital, Pinfire. Hopefully your recovery will be swift and you’ll be back at your computer soon. Looking forward to your next submission…
 
Hopefully you're feeling better soon Pinfire and to see you and some cool antiques at the SxS Classic in the Summer.
Since Pinfire is laid up in recovery I can add some more content for the weekend...

Right now I'm reading 'Hammer Guns' by Diggory Hadoke and it's another great one I'd highly recommend.
I have read both it and 'Boxlocks' before and really enjoyed them, but they were borrowed copies and I have my own now so giving this another go.
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There was a time when my Dream Gun was a modern era o/u.
These days it looks a little more like this:
Dougall Lockfast
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Grant Bar Action Side Lever and Back Action

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Lancaster Slide and Tilt

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Lang - Joseph or James!

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