Tikkas are great. Very functional rifles…but a 4.5lb hand crafted titanium crf rifle made in Canada with Canadian parts by a super nice and talented Canadian with a young family they are not. They aren’t even the same sport.
Why are there no major Canadian hunting rifle brands?
- Thread starter Damn Feathers
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Cadex sporter barrels are made by them. Bartlein makes their carbon fibre barrels.
Brassman66
CGN frequent flyer
Unfortunately it seems the Canadian Marked for quality Hunting Firearms which usualy means "pricey" is way to small. Let me compare it to Dogs.
Yesterday we went to the Dogpark on Dallas Rd. for more Socialication of our Puppy. As usual there where lots of People walking there Dogs. Out of perhaps 300 Dogs we indentified about 3 Purebreeds. I like to think most Dog Owners go for a Mud becouse it is a Rescue, is it possible I am mistaken - you be the Judge.
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Yesterday we went to the Dogpark on Dallas Rd. for more Socialication of our Puppy. As usual there where lots of People walking there Dogs. Out of perhaps 300 Dogs we indentified about 3 Purebreeds. I like to think most Dog Owners go for a Mud becouse it is a Rescue, is it possible I am mistaken - you be the Judge.
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WTAF dude!?
Brassman66
CGN frequent flyer
Look at a Mauser 66, a Weatherby made by Sauer & Son, a Bolt Action Safarie Grade FN Browning (all now sought after Collector Rifles) and have the Seller explain to you why they are superior to what you normally see displayed in Canadian Gunshop Shelves.
I could never justify 10 grand for a hunting rifle.
I mean what drives a person to spend that much on a tool for harvesting game?
I understand the cost at the competition level and there are always gonna be those guys that have loads of money to blow on gucci stuff because they can. Practicality dictates that those rifles are not "required" for an accurate platform for efficiently putting game down.
There was a custom engraved antique cowboy pistol I almost dropped silly money on some years ago but common sense prevailed at the time LOL
I once built an M14 type rifle for a guy that after all was said and done, cost him a little over 8grand. Was a really nice rifle, LRB M25, JAE stock, nightforce , gucci parts , banned now unfortunately. Lots of former oil/gas workers were throwing money around a few years ago and seemed they could easily afford the high end gun stuff. That seems to have slowed down in recent years
The problem with the Canadian manufacturers, and it's not thier fault, is they only have high end custom rifles to offer and no utility grade firearms complete and ready on the shelf. That's just the reality of the shrinking Canadian market.
I mean what drives a person to spend that much on a tool for harvesting game?
I understand the cost at the competition level and there are always gonna be those guys that have loads of money to blow on gucci stuff because they can. Practicality dictates that those rifles are not "required" for an accurate platform for efficiently putting game down.
There was a custom engraved antique cowboy pistol I almost dropped silly money on some years ago but common sense prevailed at the time LOL
I once built an M14 type rifle for a guy that after all was said and done, cost him a little over 8grand. Was a really nice rifle, LRB M25, JAE stock, nightforce , gucci parts , banned now unfortunately. Lots of former oil/gas workers were throwing money around a few years ago and seemed they could easily afford the high end gun stuff. That seems to have slowed down in recent years
The problem with the Canadian manufacturers, and it's not thier fault, is they only have high end custom rifles to offer and no utility grade firearms complete and ready on the shelf. That's just the reality of the shrinking Canadian market.
saskgunowner101
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- near Prince Albert
Are you wondering as well if Brassman is slowly turning German, or if there's a secret code built into his posts?
Or the dog part?I got a queezy feeling reading his post.Are you wondering as well if Brassman is slowly turning German, or if there's a secret code built into his posts?
Not racist but Classist? Dog-breedist??
Is his puppy allowed to socialize with "Muds"?
What is a Mud?
It's all very disturbing.
Also the start up cost to that sort of venture, No?
I happen to make knives as a hobby. They are nice knives and my friends and family keep buggin me to sell them.
If I simply paid myself a modest wage and recouped costs, I would still have to sell each knife for hundreds of dollars to even break even.
How could I ever sell them? I would be embarrassed to try.
When you compare that to amazon where you can buy a sturdy and perfectly functional stainless steel hunting knife for 20$ and it's just a market you can't enter into unless your customers agree that the boutique craftsmanship is worth something.
Sad days in many ways
You do realize that Savage Canada is a subsidiary of Savage USA, so profits are still supporting the USA?
The way this country is headed politically, firearms are going to be a thing of the past. Manufacturing of anything firearm related along with retail sales to citizens is actively being discouraged through Liberal government laws. All the younger ones entering the firearms community have no idea what it was like in the real Canada back in the day. How about being able to purchase a full auto select fire rifle with it being classified as non-restricted like any other long gun and not even an FAC (Firearms Acquisition License) required. CIL/Dominion was a huge ammunition manufacturer which had been around for decades. The government has done a great job of wiping out that part of our firearm heritage history.
This whole shop Canadian is laughable, since all the unusual items I purchase (automotive and electronics for example) are only manufactured in the USA.
It's like waving a Cdn flag is now considered patriotic, but just a few years ago it was considered the mark of a domestic terrorist. Got it!
So, one of the richest people (used to be the richest at one point) in Europe is the owner of Aldi.
For those that don't know what that is, it basically started off as a pseudo dollar store. Personal hygiene, food, household stuff etc.
Their motto was making things affordable for everyone while making small profits for themselves.
Moral of the story, for all those that keep justifying the insane Canadian made prices, the manufacturers and dealers don't need to make 100% from a sale of a Canadian made gun or anything else Canadian made for that matter.
1 lb of local apples or potatoes or asparagus up the road from me, they sell for $7 - $10 while in season too. I go to nofrills and buy 1lb of the same from Mexico or states or africa for $0.79. You're telling me that labour, transport, warehouse storage and overhead, duties and fees and taxes, pest control, multitude of different workers, airport/ship/train fees etc etc, are STILL cheaper tenfold than from some greedy twit 1km away that probably uses Mexicans for labour anyways and doesn't have any the overhead expenses rest of the world has?
In what reality does that make sense?
Another example, Ontario produces a #### ton of nuclear electricity. To it's own people they sell electricity for almost $0.16/kwh.
They also sell the rest along the US east coast for half of that price. Any excess and surplus, they ship down there for free....
Same goes for these "super fancy" Canadian $10k rifles that probably cost 1/10th of that to make. Yes few lbs of steel and 1lb of plastic, or even carbon fiber DO NOT cost 1000s, i don't care what country you're from on this planet.
Why TF do they then NEED to make these insane margins and basically price themselves out of the damn market.
I could go on and on.
Bottom line, my patriotism doesn't pay my bills, pay my mortgage, feed my kids etc.
Unless I win millions and don't care for money, my wallet will always dictate what I buy and how much I can spend.
I'm so sick and tired of being taken advantage of and pushed to "buy Canadian" because I'm supposed to be a good citizen.
We already get stripped almost 50% of every damn dollar made.. enough is enough.
I will keep buying whatever is cheaper. Apples, ammo, guns, or otherwise. I don't gaf where it comes from.
For those that don't know what that is, it basically started off as a pseudo dollar store. Personal hygiene, food, household stuff etc.
Their motto was making things affordable for everyone while making small profits for themselves.
Moral of the story, for all those that keep justifying the insane Canadian made prices, the manufacturers and dealers don't need to make 100% from a sale of a Canadian made gun or anything else Canadian made for that matter.
1 lb of local apples or potatoes or asparagus up the road from me, they sell for $7 - $10 while in season too. I go to nofrills and buy 1lb of the same from Mexico or states or africa for $0.79. You're telling me that labour, transport, warehouse storage and overhead, duties and fees and taxes, pest control, multitude of different workers, airport/ship/train fees etc etc, are STILL cheaper tenfold than from some greedy twit 1km away that probably uses Mexicans for labour anyways and doesn't have any the overhead expenses rest of the world has?
In what reality does that make sense?
Another example, Ontario produces a #### ton of nuclear electricity. To it's own people they sell electricity for almost $0.16/kwh.
They also sell the rest along the US east coast for half of that price. Any excess and surplus, they ship down there for free....
Same goes for these "super fancy" Canadian $10k rifles that probably cost 1/10th of that to make. Yes few lbs of steel and 1lb of plastic, or even carbon fiber DO NOT cost 1000s, i don't care what country you're from on this planet.
Why TF do they then NEED to make these insane margins and basically price themselves out of the damn market.
I could go on and on.
Bottom line, my patriotism doesn't pay my bills, pay my mortgage, feed my kids etc.
Unless I win millions and don't care for money, my wallet will always dictate what I buy and how much I can spend.
I'm so sick and tired of being taken advantage of and pushed to "buy Canadian" because I'm supposed to be a good citizen.
We already get stripped almost 50% of every damn dollar made.. enough is enough.
I will keep buying whatever is cheaper. Apples, ammo, guns, or otherwise. I don't gaf where it comes from.
locally the government taxes businesses like crazy, then you have the "Warehousing" ( in this case land) a shop front, Everyone wants $45 a hour these days and get paid for 8 hours although they did 2 hours of work. saftey equipment, tools, machinery, upkeep.... list goes on and on. I'm not trying to defend them like I get it as well, but I like to get paid when I got to work as well.
Dude,
Growing stuff in a climate where you can produce year round with 0 legislation on how its grown or what conditions, cheap labour, cheap land etc vs growing in a country like Canada where #### is overregulated, wages are way up. (Yes minimum wage is still more vs what some random mexican or african makes), price of land is way up, and climate is worse.
And I'll break down the other parts.
Machine shop => CNC machine costs for are absurd, R&D, power consumption of said machines, hiring qualified machinists, again cost of land/ structure to run equipment in. Foundation is all specced for the CNC machines etc.
And what a lot of big supermarkets do is pay x amount the first year to a producer, and buy all the stock, renegotiate a few years later, when they have no market besides the supermarket, and drop the purchase prices. Since they have no real other option to accept.
Instead of complaining about the pricing of companies like Cadex and similar, go look at the practices of your walmart and aldi's which screw you and their producers over a 100x harder as a medium to small business.
- Location
- Nova Scotia
You can get quality dogs for next to nothing. I got 2 dogs, and 3 cats. For the price of my latest rescue.
I'll stick to mutts.
Hand Skills
CGN Regular
- Location
- In the 'heartland', southern SK
KS Arms
Antler Arms
...but I am late to the party and we have moved onto fruit
Antler Arms
...but I am late to the party and we have moved onto fruit
