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Howdy folks,

So for our safety our fearless leaders have banned the crypto!

I'm so glad, we almost had a chance at a publicly available modular firearm and being able to run a business to support the builders!
We wouldn't want CANADIAN small businesses to get a break after all


The interesting part of this is they have gone back in time to classify it as a "PFR, Part 1, para. 87 "
Thus an ar15 variant thus maybe the May 2020 OIC will cover this in the amnesty?
Thus buying and selling the uppers is also prohib?

Runkle will figure this out

But for now, you need to stop trading the crypto and leave them locked up

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bWONGER said:
This is proof that it’s not how it functions but how it looks that makes it banned…
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I have said this many times and people still haven’t clued it. And if you believe the liberals will stop there you are wrong. They will continue to ban guns as long as they are in power.
 
This situation is going to unfold exactly like the X95 MSW fiasco, only this is worse because there are far more of these out there.

The RCMP language here suggests these were always prohibited as an AR variant. This signals no amnesty protection, no compensation, and immediate surrender.

These were not banned via OIC or legislation. If the horsemen were intending on adding these to the OIC list, protecting owners under amnesty, the Crypto would’ve been on the last OIC list.

Technically the RCMP can use this situation as a potential justification to attain warrants forcing retailers to turn over sales records that will indicate who purchased these. Runkle’s reaction to this situation is alarming to say the least and should signal how dangerous this situation is.

The RCMP will view the lack of an existing FRT (despite not being law) as an attempt to skirt what they deem to be “the law”. I suspect Crusader is going to get the book thrown at them over this.
 
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LexInfidelis said:
This situation is going to unfold exactly like the X95 MSW fiasco, only this is worse because there are far more of these out there.

The RCMP language here suggests these were always prohibited as an AR variant. This signals no amnesty protection, no compensation, and immediate surrender.

These were not banned via OIC or legislation. If the horsemen were intending on adding these to the OIC list, protecting owners under amnesty, the Crypto would’ve been on the last OIC list. This is dangerous.

Technically the RCMP can use this situation as a potential justification to attain warrants forcing retailers to turn over sales records that will indicate who owns these.

The RCMP will view the lack of an existing FRT (despite not being law) as an attempt to skirt what they deem to be “the law”. I suspect Crusader is going to get the book thrown at them over this.
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They could try.

The crypto was manufactured to comply with C21 tho. It also didn’t require an FRT as it was domestically manufactured and ticked all the boxes for a non restricted rifle.

They’d need to have some reasonable grounds besides “we don’t like it.”
 
Ungrateful said:
Everyone who said it’s not an ar15 variant because it uses a different takedown pin and has grooves in the magazine…
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It's not an AR15 variant. If the fed govt made a law saying the moon was made of cheese, that wouldn't make it so. 🤷‍♂️

If you look at the history of the govt using the term "variant" with respect to gun control, it is clear they view every gun as a variant of every other gun. They banned a 22 cal rimfire, blowback rifle as a variant of a 30 cal centre fire, gas operated rifle when the two designs shared not a single common part.

The people who said the Crypto was not an AR variant are correct. It is our govt that is wrong.


bWONGER said:
This is proof that it’s not how it functions but how it looks that makes it banned…
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And the history of gun control in Canada shows that one firearm has only to mildly resemble another to get listed as a variant.
 
bWONGER said:
This is proof that it’s not how it functions but how it looks that makes it banned…
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I Dont Care About You said:
It's not an AR15 variant. If the fed govt made a law saying the moon was made of cheese, that wouldn't make it so.
🤷‍♂️


If you look at the history of the govt using the term "variant" with respect to gun control, it is clear they view every gun as a variant of every other gun. They banned a 22 cal rimfire, blowback rifle as a variant of a 30 cal centre fire, gas operated rifle when the two designs shared not a single common part.

The people who said the Crypto was not an AR variant are correct. It is our govt that is wrong.

And the history of gun control in Canada shows that one firearm has only to mildly resemble another to get listed as a variant.
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Murray Smith (former RCMP lab head) can be quoted that depending on perspective the K98/G98 is a variant of an ak47. Thats the architect of the FRT system and head classification tech saying this.

It has always been like this. The Mossberg blaze is literally a body kit for a legal firearm model they sell here. According to the RCMP its an AK47. Same goes for the armi jager series of 22 rifles.


We live in a world now where gender doesnt have a definition, and an k98 is actually an AK47, but because its their opinion it is actually correct because they have authority to claim it be this way, according to the courts. We need a CPC majority to rewrite the firearms act and revoke the OICs
 
I Dont Care About You said:
It's not an AR15 variant. If the fed govt made a law saying the moon was made of cheese, that wouldn't make it so. 🤷‍♂️

If you look at the history of the govt using the term "variant" with respect to gun control, it is clear they view every gun as a variant of every other gun. They banned a 22 cal rimfire, blowback rifle as a variant of a 30 cal centre fire, gas operated rifle when the two designs shared not a single common part.

The people who said the Crypto was not an AR variant are correct. It is our govt that is wrong.



And the history of gun control in Canada shows that one firearm has only to mildly resemble another to get listed as a variant.
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You’re missing the point here. It doesn’t matter if they’re wrong or how arbitrary this situation seems. In their eyes the dealer always wins.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
It's not an AR15 variant. If the fed govt made a law saying the moon was made of cheese, that wouldn't make it so. 🤷‍♂️

If you look at the history of the govt using the term "variant" with respect to gun control, it is clear they view every gun as a variant of every other gun. They banned a 22 cal rimfire, blowback rifle as a variant of a 30 cal centre fire, gas operated rifle when the two designs shared not a single common part.

The people who said the Crypto was not an AR variant are correct. It is our govt that is wrong.



And the history of gun control in Canada shows that one firearm has only to mildly resemble another to get listed as a variant.
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Very good point - just because the govt says it is cheese does not make it so…..
However…..
If the govt makes the “cheese-moon” law, and you get charged under it, the appointed judges will uphold it and convict you and send you to moon jail.
You will be factually correct, but the govt and the system (including your several hundred dollar an hour lawyer) will bankrupt you and destroy you before putting you in jail.
The process is the punishment in most cases.
 
I'm hopeful that a new government will change things but the odd time PP mentions guns it's to reassure the electorate that "hunting rifles" will not be banned. Maybe politically he doesn't want to say he's repealing everything. Isn't it ironic that the arrival of the Trump rescues the liberals from annihilation at the polls. What a world.
 
“They need to have some reasonable grounds…”
Technically, under the law, that is mostly accurate.
However, I have noticed a very disturbing trend over the last decade, where RPG goes out the window whenever the authorities want something.
1) changes to the Criminal Code that now on every traffic stop (provincial authority) police can demand a breath sample with no RPG (criminal authority). If you are outraged and refuse, immediate arrest, criminal charge and conviction. This has already been upheld in the courts.
2) scared that the general population don’t like what you are doing? Emergencies Act! (Formerly War Measures Act). Do whatever you want to whoever you want with no RPG. A few years later, the courts may rule that you were not justified in invoking it, but so what? You got to crush the “small fringe minority,”, cut off their basics of life (including heating fuel), have the police stampede their horses over an old lady with a walker, and deflate their ever-dangerous bouncy castles.
No one in authority is ever held accountable. But the little guy is always crushed by the process and the system.
So whether they have RPG or not should matter, but basically never does.
 
LexInfidelis said:
Runkle is a realist by all indications and the reality of our situation is grim to put it lightly. The overlords have never been consistent or logical in the manner by which they have imposed their agenda upon our community.
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He used to be a realist perhaps. In the last year he seems to have gone well beyond that though.

Use this as a door kicking expedition? Thats a perfect example of the fear mongering I'm talking about.
 
Suther said:
He used to be a realist perhaps. In the last year he seems to have gone well beyond that though.

Use this as a door kicking expedition? When have they EVER kicked doors in to confiscate legally purchased guns? Thats a perfect example of the fear mongering I'm talking about.
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Suth, as always I respect your positions. Though we may disagree, I hope that you are right.
 
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