Verifying Stoeger Coach Gun

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Hey all, quick question for those of you who own or know about Stoeger SXS shotguns, particularly the coach gun.

Tomorrow I’ll be headed to check out a used Coach Gun off the other less ideal website, but from the photos I’ve noticed a difference or two in the markings.

Mostly I’m concerned that the one I’m going to see does not have the serrated line as seen in the below photo from current Stoeger Coach Guns. It also doesn’t have the stamp “Coach Gun” as the current production does. Was this normal in an older variant? Is there anything that should be looked for or avoided in what I'm assuming is just an older model?
Why do the current models have this line?
 

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Hey all, quick question for those of you who own or know about Stoeger SXS shotguns, particularly the coach gun.

Tomorrow I’ll be headed to check out a used Coach Gun off the other less ideal website, but from the photos I’ve noticed a difference or two in the markings.

Mostly I’m concerned that the one I’m going to see does not have the serrated line as seen in the below photo from current Stoeger Coach Guns. It also doesn’t have the stamp “Coach Gun” as the current production does. Was this normal in an older variant? Is there anything that should be looked for or avoided in what I'm assuming is just an older model?
Why do the current models have this line?
Could be a Boito as well, basically Stoeger but made in Brazil?
 
MosinMan13: The markings are only decorative. As brybenn mentions, the markings around the barrels are there simply to cover the join of barrels to monobloc. The internals and operation of the shotgun will be the same.
Do you know whether the shotgun is in original condition? Or, has it been modified to any degree...ie: lighter springs, etc. As it would likely be, if used for cowboy action competition.

Note: As infidel29 mentions, this could also be a Boito. Essentially the same gun. I believe both are manufactured by E.R. Amantino, in Brazil.

These inexpensive guns are not fitted together with much care at the factory. So will often need a few basic tweaks to get them operating smoothly. If you do spot a few of the problems listed below....these can be easily addressed. Overall, the guns are pretty sturdy and hold up well, when cared for properly.

Likely the most important thing to look out for, is the fit of the bolt to the locking lugs. The rear lug, in particular. The bolt should engage as much of the lug as possible, to ensure good lock up. There will be a distinct mark on the top of the lug, where the bolt makes contact.
Ideally, the bolt should engage at least 1/2 of the lug's locking surface. Though most stock guns won't, unless cleaned up a bit.

Anything less than that, then there is the chance that the bolt may bounce back a bit, under recoil. Which disengages the bolt, causing the gun's action to open slightly. Then, it will not fire, until fully closed again. Usually happens with the second barrel. Most often, the cause of this is from a too-light bolt spring. Usually when too many coils are snipped off the spring. Coupled with a poorly engaging bolt.

If so, this problem can be addressed by either replacing the spring. Or, carefully polishing the contact surfaces of both bolt and lug. Or both.

If the gun is very stiff to open(quite common, especially with new Stoegers), careful polishing of the action knuckles(where the forearm iron joins the action), will usually ease opening force considerably. Not hard to do. Usually, 400-grit sandpaper does the job, nicely. Remember...you're just polishing the contact surfaces. Not removing metal.

Caution: If the gun opens easily: Refrain from allowing the barrels to drop open on their own. This puts a lot of strain on the barrel hook. Which can fail, with repeated abuse. It's always a good idea to control the barrels, with the control hand.

Another possible problem: firing pins. Stoeger firing pins tend to be a bit on the soft side. So, their ends often dub over with heavy use. This can cause misfires, from light primer strikes. Not easy to spot, on a used gun. I recommend swapping out the pins, as one of the first tweaks to the gun.
Luckily, this is an easy fix. Replace the pins with a set of stainless steel firing pins. These can be ordered through Rusty Wood Trading, here in Canada.

These...plus replacement aftermarket springs( a bit lighter than factory) . Plus, a small, three-pin spanner for removing the firing pin bushings, can also be ordered through Longhunter Supply. Ships to Canada.

By the way, to change out the bolt spring...an 11 mm socket on a long extension easily removes the bolt for stock removal. There are several you tube videos that demonstrate how to remove and re-install the bolt spring. Not hard to do.

Lastly, check for cracks in the stock, immediately behind the top strap. These guns aren't Purdeys, so stock to action fit isn't all that careful.

That's pretty much the basics. As already mentioned, these guns are very basic, though pretty sturdy and hold up well, over extended use. So don't be scared off by any of the small faults mentioned. All of these are easy to address.

Hope this helps.

Al
 
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MosinMan13: The markings are only decorative. As brybenn mentions, the markings around the barrels are there simply to cover the join of barrels to monobloc. The internals and operation of the shotgun will be the same.
Do you know whether the shotgun is in original condition? Or, has it been modified to any degree...ie: lighter springs, etc. As it would likely be, if used for cowboy action competition.

Note: As infidel29 mentions, this could also be a Boito. Essentially the same gun. I believe both are manufactured by E.R. Amantino, in Brazil.

These inexpensive guns are not fitted together with much care at the factory. So will often need a few basic tweaks to get them operating smoothly. If you do spot a few of the problems listed below....these can be easily addressed. Overall, the guns are pretty sturdy and hold up well, when cared for properly.

Likely the most important thing to look out for, is the fit of the bolt to the locking lugs. The rear lug, in particular. The bolt should engage as much of the lug as possible, to ensure good lock up. There will be a distinct mark on the lug, where the bolt makes contact.
Ideally, the bolt should engage at least 1/2 of the lug's locking surface. Though most stock guns won't, unless cleaned up a bit.

Anything less than that, then there is the chance that the bolt may bounce back a bit, under recoil. Which disengages the bolt, causing the gun's action to open slightly. Then, it will not fire, until fully closed again. Usually happens with the second barrel. Most often, the cause of this is from a too-light bolt spring. Usually when too many coils are snipped off the spring. Coupled with a poorly engaging bolt.

If so, this problem can be addressed by either replacing the spring. Or, carefully polishing the contact surfaces of both bolt and lug. Or both.

If the gun is very stiff to open(quite common, especially with new Stoegers), careful polishing of the action knuckles(where the forearm iron joins the action), will usually ease opening force considerably. Not hard to do. Usually, 400-grit sandpaper does the job, nicely. Remember...you're just polishing the contact surfaces. Not removing metal.

Caution: If the gun opens easily: Refrain from allowing the barrels to drop open on their own. This puts a lot of strain on the barrel hook. Which can fail, with repeated abuse. It's always a good idea to control the barrels, with the control hand.

Another possible problem: firing pins. Stoeger firing pins tend to be a bit on the soft side. So, their ends often dub over with heavy use. This can cause misfires, from light primer strikes. Not easy to spot, on a used gun. I recommend swapping out the pins, as one of the first tweaks to the gun.
Luckily, this is an easy fix. Replace the pins with a set of stainless steel firing pins. These can be ordered through Rusty Wood Trading, here in Canada.

These...plus replacement aftermarket springs( a bit lighter than factory) . Plus, a small, three-pin spanner for removing the firing pin bushings, can also be ordered through Longhunter Supply. Ships to Canada.

By the way, to change out the bolt spring...an 11 mm socket on a long extension easily removes the bolt for stock removal. There are several you tube videos that demonstrate how to remove and re-install the bolt spring. Not hard to do.

Lastly, check for cracks in the stock, immediately behind the top strap. These guns aren't Purdeys, so stock to action fit isn't all that careful.

That's pretty much the basics.

Hope this helps.

Al
Alex, a thousand praises for this insight, this is exactly what I was looking for more or less. From what I know it hasn’t been used to much from casual use but operates as expected by description. Sounds like I just have either an older Stoeger or a Boito, I will observe the action and make my decision accordingly.
 
Alex, a thousand praises for this insight, this is exactly what I was looking for more or less. From what I know it hasn’t been used to much from casual use but operates as expected by description. Sounds like I just have either an older Stoeger or a Boito, I will observe the action and make my decision accordingly.

Yes, he has given a comprehensive lowdown.
 
Alex, a thousand praises for this insight, this is exactly what I was looking for more or less. From what I know it hasn’t been used to much from casual use but operates as expected by description. Sounds like I just have either an older Stoeger or a Boito, I will observe the action and make my decision accordingly.
Alex is indeed a treasure of knowledge for cowboy guns.
 
Great info Alex. I’ve owned two Stoeger coach guns and an uplander ( same gun but with longer barrels). All were IGA, made in Brazil. Never had a problem with any of them. Good guns for the price.
 
Gillshot: I think they are good value for the money, too. I currently run a pair of Stoeger coach guns in cowboy action competition. Anyone familiar with the sport knows what hard use and abuse these guns take, over the course of any given year. So guns need to be pretty sturdy, to survive.

To their credit, my Stoegers have held up well, over the years. Though the "youngster" of the pair is only ten years old. So, still has some time left to prove itself.

Admittedly, these guns have their rough edges. But, as basic "working cowboy" guns, are hard to beat. That's probably why there are always plenty of them to be found, at any match.

I like to treat my guns with respect... no matter how hard they get used. So, try to maintain them in good operating condition. Luckily, Stoegers are pretty easy to care for. I suspect these boomers will likely outlast this, "boomer".

Al
ps: Infidel29: Thanks for the kind words. Always like to help out, if or when I can.
 
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