I'm fairly new to collecting milsurp rifles, all I have is a mosin nagant that I got for 450 this past winter. However, I've been looking online and people are asking so much for certain guns. I don't really see mosins going under 600 and many K31's under a grand. The K31 I understand is a quality made rifle and not as many were made compared to mosins but it seems there is a decent amount that have been imported here. Ammo availability is not as prevalent as it used to be from many of the older collectors I know so even the cost of shooting these rifles is higher. Is it just because there's less being sold at gun shops by the crate that there's a "scarcity" of them when many have been imported here? Or do people just see one guy sell his for 600 and think their rifle is worth the same or more and that's why prices have gone up? I enjoy learning about the history around firearms and being able to own a piece of it is something I like, but with how expensive it is nowadays is a large deterrent when I get told how "only a handful of years ago I got blank for only a couple hundred dollars"
Rising costs?
- Thread starter ryk3
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Cue people listing how much they paid for their milsurps...
I paid 325 for my k31 right before they jumped...
Careful with mosin collecting - so many variants...
I paid 325 for my k31 right before they jumped...
Careful with mosin collecting - so many variants...
Oh god yes, get ready!…
Corwin Arms had a few K31’s for $600 I believe & a certain other site has several for the $500 mark.
Most people do not realize how many different models of "Mosins" are out there.
A few do, but there are a lot of mosin owners between most knowledgeable collectors.
Depending of the rarity of the model, historical significance, origin of manufacture, which nation fielded them, significance of the date of manufacture and original all matching or force matched, etc, and the list goes on and on, will dictate the price of the Mosin offered for sale.
For folks looking for a shooter/collector, none of this makes much of a difference.
That being said, there are enough bona fide collectors out there looking for specific models, who really know what they're looking at.
It's sort of like coin collectors, they see a price on a certain date and nations coin, which they have in their "curiosity box" and believe they have a very valuable piece, but in reality the only time a coin meeting the description of what they have is usually a mistrike which shouldn't have been circulated or have left the mint, and their coin was perfect, so only worth face value.
Certain Mosins will be worth more, for the above reasons. Most out of the crate WWII date, common manufacture will be worth between $450-$600, depending on condition and who is selling it.
- Location
- Western Canada
Everything firearm related is, and will continue, rising in price here unfortunately, milsurps are certainly not exempt from that. It is an expensive hobby/sport/activity to undertake these days, no matter what kind of firearms you're interested in.
My advice is to buy what you like and what you can afford, whenever you have that opportunity to do so. Life is short, so try not to get too hung up on the dollars and cents of it all. Buy what you like and enjoy them while you can. Good luck in your search!
My advice is to buy what you like and what you can afford, whenever you have that opportunity to do so. Life is short, so try not to get too hung up on the dollars and cents of it all. Buy what you like and enjoy them while you can. Good luck in your search!
I would say if anything, prices have contracted a little over the last year, as the realization of how ####ty the Liberal economy is hits home. People are struggling to pay rent and groceries, making extravagant milsurp sales figures less common.
People are still asking for premium prices, remembering what they themselves paid last year, but I'm seeing things listed at prices that would not have lasted 5 minutes last year get BTT'd in the EE for weeks before they sell, likely under asking via PM negotiation. The more expensive the milsurp, the more acute the effect.
Look at SMLEs, for example. A few dealers can't seem to move rough 1960's era ishapore refurbs for the $850-900 asking price anymore, while last year they were selling fairly well at those prices. If you watch what's selling at auction, really nice matching MkIII* examples are moving in the $850-900 range, and the dogs are selling sub-600.
The dealers with last year's pricing will have their left overs on sale by black Friday, I'm pretty sure.
Last year, a K31 was a 1200-1400 rifle all day long, then a new round of imports arrived, and some dealers have them under $600. Guys on the EE are still asking over 1000, when a 2 minute google search can find them at nearly half that price.
The market is all about supply and demand. In tough times, demand goes down compared to the same supply figures and prices trend lower.
Milsurps have been a good investment that last 10 years, but right now, I'd say it's a bear market and I'm buying/selling accordingly.
People are still asking for premium prices, remembering what they themselves paid last year, but I'm seeing things listed at prices that would not have lasted 5 minutes last year get BTT'd in the EE for weeks before they sell, likely under asking via PM negotiation. The more expensive the milsurp, the more acute the effect.
Look at SMLEs, for example. A few dealers can't seem to move rough 1960's era ishapore refurbs for the $850-900 asking price anymore, while last year they were selling fairly well at those prices. If you watch what's selling at auction, really nice matching MkIII* examples are moving in the $850-900 range, and the dogs are selling sub-600.
The dealers with last year's pricing will have their left overs on sale by black Friday, I'm pretty sure.
Last year, a K31 was a 1200-1400 rifle all day long, then a new round of imports arrived, and some dealers have them under $600. Guys on the EE are still asking over 1000, when a 2 minute google search can find them at nearly half that price.
The market is all about supply and demand. In tough times, demand goes down compared to the same supply figures and prices trend lower.
Milsurps have been a good investment that last 10 years, but right now, I'd say it's a bear market and I'm buying/selling accordingly.
Rising cost of living has got to be the biggest factor but I'd guess the more frequent gun bans as well.
I think many are holding off buying that next gun until they get a feel for where the new (same sh!t) liberal gov't will go next with their obsessive war against our freedoms... News flash, they want them all, so buy em while they are available legally.
It’s not mecessarily a bad idea to buy things that aren’t registered. Generally it’s hard to have an effective gun ban if you have no idea where things are or how many of those things are out there somewhere.
I learned my lesson with m1 carbines and now get to stare at them as idle objects that one day the horse cops will come looking for.
People here talk about mass non compliance. What is like to see is the national police force refusing to comply with irrational legislation that doesn’t prevent any crime.
I learned my lesson with m1 carbines and now get to stare at them as idle objects that one day the horse cops will come looking for.
People here talk about mass non compliance. What is like to see is the national police force refusing to comply with irrational legislation that doesn’t prevent any crime.
Phhhhttttt ...... us 12.x people have been doing that for 20+ years.
Ahhh, my bad..
Not under threat of “buyback” which implies they owned it in the first place…
Not sure what a non refurb Tula goes for now, but less if it has any SA marked or if the bore is poor.
No SA. Stock, metal - original finish. All parts are Tula marked.
I don't know how long you've been in this game, but other than under "one off" circumstances milsurps have seldom declined in value.
I've been doing this for 65 years and the best investments I made to fund a comfortable retirement, was buying pristine Mausers of all models, Lee Enfields, Garands, Ross rifle variants, Arisakas, P-08 Lugers, P-38s, Mauser Broomhandles in 7.62 and 9mm, as well as a few Colt Single Action and Mod 1911 martially marked variants.
Almost all of them gave me 100X returns by the time it was time for "someone else" to take care of them.
I will admit I was lucky enough to be in a favorable position to pick through for the best available, but I can still see and hear people laughing and stating that "old junk" which was cheap, even back in the day, would always be worthless in a few years. In some cases, they were right, but that door never closed and the interest in milsurps peaked several times and waned during recessions. However, no matter when you bought them, you never lost money and as often as not got a decent history lesson from them.
