Alberta to allow 22 centrefire for big game.

My uncle just told me he hunted deer here in manitoba for 30yrs with a 222 and never lost one nor had one suffer. He used whatever ammo was on the shelf. Cheap whatever they had.
To quote him "why the fuk would you need anything bigger for a deer?"
Lots of valid arguments against using 22cal but his big ol gut is proof to me it certainly can be done ethically.
Not trying to convince anyone otherwise. I just found it interesting as I wasn't aware of it untill today. I'm out here on holidays and mentioned the change in regulations to him.
I assumed back in the day he shot larger calibers.
 
My original question was for people who had actual experience with. 22 ceterfire on big game.

I have. My kids have. A couple of gf's, and some buddies have with my rifles - 223's and 223AI's, and just working on finalizing an 88 ELD m load in a new 22 Creedmoor that has yet to put any bullets into animals. I fell into the 22 centerfire rabbit hole better than 17 years ago now.

Off the top of my head I've used or first hand seen used mono's - 45/50/53gr TSX, 62gr TTSX, 50gr GMX.
I've also used/seen used the 75gr Amax, 75gr HPBT, 77 TMK, and 88 ELD m, as well as the 40gr vmax, now that I think about it.
I've used rifles twisted in 1:7/8/9/12, with muzzle velocities from 3850 fps down to 2650 fps. Twist rates make a difference in bullet behavior when it hits meat. As does bullet shape and construction.

I've used (or seen used first hand) all the bullets mentioned above on game, from coyotes/whitetails/muleys/black bears/elk/and moose. I have not seen each bullet used on each species (the exception being that I have killed coyotes with all bullets mentioned.)

I've stuck/seen stuck all of the mono's listed into whitetails, and muleys from 91 yards through to 277 yards. The 45 TSX at 3500-ish impact velocity was the most decisive of the mono's - likely due to impact velocity, but the 50 GMX also bang flopped a big whitetail for my daughter, but she shot him in the throat patch and demolished his spine so that wasn't surprising.

Additional to THAT, I've stuck the 75 Amax and 88 ELD m as well as the 53 TSX and 62 TTSX into black bears, from 2 yards out to 486 yards.

With whitetails and muley's, I've shot/seen shot the 75 Amax/HPBT, 77 TMK, and 88 ELD m from 51 yards to 494 yards.
I've killed 3 bull moose in three years with the 88 ELD m, as well as a bull elk. 109 yards on the elk, 151/176/352 yards on the mooses.

The 88 ELD m and 77 TMK aren't even a part of the same discussion when it comes to killing stuff, as the rest of the bullets mentioned. The 75 Amax is a murderous bullet, but the 88 ELD m and 77 TMK are prolific serial killers and there is no end in sight.

Fast twist rates coupled with long, heavy for caliber bullets kill way outside of what a person would expect, and truly has to be seen first hand to understand. Twist rates matter, bullet shape and bullet construction matter. In a larger caliber rifle it is tough to pick the wrong bullet and not get the results that Joe Average wants, in a small caliber rifle it is much easier to get it wrong.

I switched from using 150gr TTSX's from a favorite 280AI as my primary moose rifle to the 88 ELD m in a matching rifle purely because I was getting more damage to organs from the 88, and stuff was dying faster and covering less ground. In fact after using the first one, I have had 3 more rifles built specifically around the 88 ELD m for myself and a buddy, and all are primarily used as killing rifles.

I still use the same bullet placement with the 88's as I was with the TSX/TTSX from my 280AI, 7wsm, or 300 Ultra. I'm still breaking shoulders. Only differences are that now I'm not getting a bullet channel through the ham and finding a bullet under the hide on the back leg on hard quartering in shots like was common with the 300 Ultra and TSX's, and stuff isn't still breathing when I walk up to it after it had an 88 ELD m or 77 TMK stuck in the front half - like was common with anything shot with a Barnes mono.
None of the animals shot with the mouse rifle have made it out of sight since I switched over to the 88/77. There is no guessing on where the bullet landed after the trigger was squeezed because now I see the fur ripple when the bullet lands.

And I realize that this is likely to torque a lot of folks up to read, so by all means use what makes you happiest and fills you with the most confidence when you are hunting. I know I do.
Bullets matter, and picking the right ones always helps, no matter what you are planning on sticking them into.
 
My original question was for people who had actual experience with. 22 ceterfire on big game.
I have shot a FEW Deer with a 22-250 ! Lung shot every one of them at up to 200 or ? So yards and they all piled up real Quick . It was a long time ago and I used Horn 53 gr HP bullets . None of them exited at 200 - Blu the Hell out of the lungs 🫁. šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø
Now a days I would use a 50-62 gr Barnes TTSX. Bullet . Just in case I got a misplaced shot 🤪
 
A crappy shot is a crappy shot. I am basically alone at my range for 11 months of the year. Hunters start "sighting" in their rifles in August. Staple up a pie plate or standard piece of paper, hit it 3 times out 10 and say they're good to go. I'm amazed there aren't more 3 legged deer in the valley. If they miss a lot it's not uncommon to hear them say they're going to go up in caliber just to make sure. I'm no fan of more regulations but a shooting test like they do in Finland makes sense. I'd say some people are better off shooting 223 instead of whatever wonder magnum they actually take out, maybe they'll hit what they aim at.
Unfortunately we all have seen this kind of behavior.

It's called slob hunters!.....:( :oops:

The same guys will have a beer between their legs 24/7 while driving and/or hunting. Stupidity is rampant my friend.:(
 
I'm sure the sky is falling. BC has had an "any Centerfire rifle" rule basically forever. At first it was only 22 rimfires that were banned as a Roadblock to people of lower status. Then that became rimfires in general post WWII.

Of course there is plenty that is arbitrary, the 17 Hornet is legal for Moose but the 10 gauge with slugs is not.
 
I've made a crappy shot on a mule deer with the 300RUM running a 220 eld-x at 3200fps. The trauma was absolutely insane. The deer just layed down, it would have taken a very long time to expire though if it didn't have a follow up neck shot shortly after.

So in that case if it was a 22 caliber the deer would have just kept running and would have been a miracle to be able to get it.

So the odd time a crappy shot with a larger rifle, is beneficial...lol
I have seen a deer run with a gut shot from a 375H&H that was finished with a 30'06
I stand by my statement.
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One of my three grandsons will be eligible to hunt in 2026 for big game.................. he'll be using my 240 Weatherby. There will be no nonsense 22 centerfire for big game in my world.
 
My BIL uses 50 gr Federal HP 223 to harvest deer. He says they drop instantly. (Proper placement obviously. He has a 270 as well.

No deer here to shoot. Lots of speed goats. 223 with proper placement and bullet selection would be fine I’d imagine there too.
 
I have seen a deer run with a gut shot from a 375H&H that was finished with a 30'06
I stand by my statement.
Cat
A heavy, slower, stout, 375 bullet, is quite a bit different than a 220eld-x at over 3000 fps.

I also have a 375, and have taken game with it.

I was merely stating sometimes that the insane amount of trauma that can be dealt with a larger faster round will put game down with the same bad shot, than the same shot with some something like a 223.

Definitely do not recommend it...lol
 
Of course there is plenty that is arbitrary, the 17 Hornet is legal for Moose but the 10 gauge with slugs is not.
Ha Ha ya my sentiments follow yours....I am not against using HP 22 for game as such but man it chokes me that now, if my morals would allow it I could legally hammer away at any moose at 1000 yrds with my .223 but man, dont get caught using a 30-06 Garand even on a 50 yrd deer.
 
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