I have a single shot CIL 12 gauge Model 402 from Brazil. The ejector gear has a broken tooth. Western gunworks, Numeric and Brownells does not stock. Any help greatly appreciated. It has served me well for 55 years and I would enjoy using the old girl for a few years yet.
CIL Model 402 ejector parts
- Thread starter Kenjames
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I can not say that I have played with that exact issue - but I think those shotguns were also stamped and sold as Remington Model 812 and CBC Model 151 - so you might have some options for identical parts?
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- Western Manitoba
If you go here: htt ps://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/remington/shotguns-rem/812 - you will see that Numrich is showing Remington 812 schematic and various parts - it may or may not be what you are looking for?? I have ordered a few times from them - in New York State, I think - I believe sort of flat rate $US 18 to mail stuff to us.
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- Western Manitoba
Ken - it all "goes 'round" - a neighbour stopped by with a decrepit looking .410 shotgun that he inherited from an Uncle - stock at wrist was broken and held together with hockey tape. He wondered if I could "fix" it - was stamped as Remington Model 812. A CGN guy sold me some firing pins and firing pin return coil springs - said they were all the same - CBC 151, Rem 812 and CIL 402 - so, I assumed other parts might swap - that Rem 812 was stamped as "Made-in-Brazil".
You are not exactly "out of the woods" yet - still have to get the parts - and then they have to fit and work!!!
You are not exactly "out of the woods" yet - still have to get the parts - and then they have to fit and work!!!
Hi,
I've never done restoration or a rebuild on a firearm before and was just gifted some parts from a CIL 402. (Trigger assembly and what I think is the forend from your Remington 812 link)
I was hoping someone
1.) could kindly point me in the direction of where I could find the factory manual?
2.) If you or Ken could let me know how using the Remington parts worked out on the build.
Thank you!
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- Western Manitoba
Since this thread was started, I acquired a CIL Model 402 in 28 gauge - one of it's characteristic weaknesses is that the plastic hinge on the rear of the forearm will break off with use - this one is cracked on both sides, but nothing has fallen off yet - I have not attempted to repair or make up a "spare" for that, yet. Personally, I see no sense to find a replacement part - from Internet, it is known that is a weakness or "weak part" - so no point to replace it with the same thing.
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- Western Manitoba
It might help to understand that many companies - like CIL, Weatherby and Parker Hale - never made shotguns, but they sold the things with their brand and logo stamped on them - they were made by somebody else. I tried to dismantle a "wrecked" Parker Hale semi-auto shotgun - using a Weatherby Centurion manual - virtually identical guns - they came off the same line, in the same factory, in Japan - almost the same blueprint.
So the best way to get the parts is figure out where the assembly line originated and what that company aged into, and if the gun was made and sold as another brand elsewhere.
This is a lot more like Lego than I ever thought it would be. Tx.
I haven't gone to a gunsmith yet and asked about the plastic parts. At a min they'd need the original part specs, maybe the mechanically identicle replicate brand specs and the plastic part itself?
I've played around with the older CNC machines for other projects (customer camera components) but the drill bits and other parts for a HAAS are so damn expensive that the ease of the programming language doesn't matter as much because of what you can break or waste when trying something new. Do you think this is something I'd have to find a gunsmith for, or could I do this at a metal shop myself with the right materials and a detailed enough manual?
I'm having a hard enough time finding regular user manuals for free. I have not found makers or CNC or 3D printer manuals, yet. My late father used to talk a lot about being able to find part specs online easily. I've been looking and haven't gotten there quite yet.
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- Western Manitoba
You ask if you'd have to find a gunsmith for this. Be aware that there is NO standardized training or experience requirements for that trade - like other trades with Red Seal and required apprentice school time. What you might have available is somebody with a drill press who hung out their shingle as a "gunsmith" - up to you to discover what that gunsmith knows or does not know. Military Armourers (Firearms Technicians) are likely not much help - typically they work on two or five types of machines and have a huge purchasing group to back them up for parts - versus local "gunsmith" who might have no clue what brand will come in the door next - rifle, shotgun or handgun - probably does not have parts on hand, and deals with customers who would balk at paying a decent wage for the work required to make the things.
The "Gunsmith's" delimma is one I encountered a lot doing fabrication for custom camera components. Lotta people pulling 10k a week in film industry income that want a custom part that takes 2 weeks to design, a few days to program a machine to make and they try to howl you down to materials cost and no time. The drill press is the easy part. The CNC is slightly to moderately harder. God help you if you the "apprentice" break a 13k-50+ HAAS drill bit because your program of a one-off is buggy.
The last shop that I worked in, my mentor closed up when his list of people he refused to work with overtook his client list. Last I heard he spends his time on his sailboat and unlocks his shop when his oil & gas clients phone him. This is why we don't have a skilled machinests manufacturing base in Canada outside of a few factories that do a few things and nothing else.
Even if I had the confidence on the tools to make my own barrels, components, and the correct materials, the grace to learn to do it well is expensive. Shop access is hard to find. Materials are expensive. Making a widget that doesn't work is bad for business. Making an imperfect prototype gun part is. Well. I wouldn't want to be the one testing it and I sure wouldn't be making it if I didn't have someone with more machining skill and experience than me signing off on it.
You took the wind out of my sails a bit telling me the military FTs wouldn't be helpful. Maybe I need to skip around back to the camera parts clients who shoot and ask them who they harangue for parts & one offs.
Thanks for the chat and helping me learn more about the repair landscape out there.
