270 Win. At short distances.
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Regarding the video you posted, While I had a 308 rifle I tested Hornady load in 220 grain , these are round bullets not the spitzer. I wonder what would it work through the bush. I shot them at 50 yards along with 150 and 180 grain and the results were not impressive. I tend to think it was the rifle ( Savage 110 Hog Hunter) as all the factory loads I have tested that day did poorly to the point that I wouldn’t take it hunting . My old Savage 340 did a lot better with Federal blue box.
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The 220 grain Hornady interlock round nose has a very poor BC for the weight of bullet. G1 0.300 less than half of the 220 grain ELD-X G1 0.654 .
The Federal Powershocks are more pointed with an exposed soft point. I couldn't find the data for them but I used to shoot them in my old Husky .270win. I can't speculate performance through any obstructions for any type of bullet but those interlocks would have been very poor groups regardless of loosing stability by obstructions. Not particularly the guns fault. Cheers
Under 100 yds, why would you care????
I find the old thirty caliber 220 round nose interlock one of the best close range, lower velocity bullets out there.
It hits like the hammer of Thor, and it is an absolutely devastating round. That's too bad you couldn't get them to group well. I have found them very easy to tune in 308, 30-06, and 300 RUM.
It hits like the hammer of Thor, and it is an absolutely devastating round. That's too bad you couldn't get them to group well. I have found them very easy to tune in 308, 30-06, and 300 RUM.
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As mainly a stillhunter/ tracker, I'd say that my average shot distance is about 40 yards and my favorite cartridge remains the .270 win. The closest I've ever killed a moose at was 15 yards, and I've shot deer even closer than that. I typically use 150 grain C&C bullets: mostly Federal Fusions, Winchester Power Points, and notibly, the 150 grain Corelockts which are a round nose as well as my favorite. I've also used the 30-06 and .308 a bunch, and my impressions are that the .30 cals work very well with the right bullet. Often a 30 cal bullet that works well at 40 yards will start to get much less impressive kills on deer as the range gets out past 100 yards or so. With the .270 I've never really worried about bullet performance, whatever readily availible 150 grain bullet the rifle shoots best just seems to handle whatever you throw it at, thus my slight preference for the .270 even though I almost exclusively hunt bush. Purely anecdotal to be sure, but after watching enough animals die, I tend to quit worrying about the balistic theoreticals and just pay attention to whatever seems to work best.
And finaly, a picture of a 200lb plus buck that my wife shot at 6 paces with a 150 grain .270 Coreloct bullet.
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Now that's unusual, certainly not the norm for most rifes/bullets. From what little information you've given, sounds like your rifle may have a slow twist rate, around 1-12, or slower?
I have a shooting buddy who we built a rifle for and he special ordered a 1-14 twist, because he doesn't shoot bullets heavier than 165 grains and they're all flat base round nose or spire point cup and core type. The 165s are just barely stabilized with the 1-14 twist and only if they're driven fast.
I shoot those bullets out of three different 30-06 chambered rifles. Two of them are off the shelf and one is a custom I built to suit me.
All three of them will shoot 200-220 grain bullets as well or better than any other weights. The original load for the 30-06 used 220 grain round nose bullets, through 1-10 twist rate barrels
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exophysical
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I've got a real nice one, since the internet told me its what I should be using... never warmed up to it. First of all, I cant get used to quickly shoving a gloved hand into the lever-loop, it seems like even the OG lever gun die-hards had a bit of trouble with this since you read about all kinds of silly strategy's to avoid wearing a glove on your trigger hand in old hunting books.
Second, the minuet an animal goes down I like the chamber of any rifles present CLEARED ASAP, with a classic lever gun this entails working all the shells through the chamber and hopefully catching them before they fall in the snow. Depending on your pack/ pocket situation you might then need to stuff them all back in the magazine... and do it all over again when you get back to the truck.
Third, I prefer cleaning my rifles from the breach end.
And lastly, after a day of tracking my rifle is almost always packed with snow, I like being able to pull the bolt and get the action thoroughly dried and lightly oiled. After as much as a month and a half of this kind of use, I like being able to easily dismantle the rifle at the end of a season for inspection and eradication of any corrosion that might have gotten started in those hard to reach nooks and crannys.
Nope, I'll take a relatively light bolt action with a 20-22" barrel and a 2-7x scope every day of the week... LOL make mine a .270.
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TTSX OR. LRX or other mono bullets work great - they expand enough and they don’t blow apart .
Sigh...
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I get it, it doesnt always need to be about whats most convenient and efficient. Sometimes its worth sacrificing some functionality for form, tradition, and beauty. Unfortunately I tend to run out of steam on this front somewhat before it comes to packing a '94.
I shot a whitetail a couple of seasons ago with a .270 , using a 130gr Nosler Balistic tip. Took him quartering away at 80yds, and I've nervous seen a more blood shot deer in my life. Bullet entered left ribcage and blew out both front shoulders due to bullet fragmentation. Kinda turned me off of using Ballistic tips on anything other than a wolf or a coyote. Deer was DRT, though.
Ballistic Tip bullets were purposely designed for rapid expansion, for those folks who insist on retaining all of the energy inside the animal.
They can be laser like, as far as accuracy goes in some rifles but just like the lighter Hornady SST type bullets, they need to be placed properly if you're worried about excess expansion, meat waste or just to close. At 100 yds, they perform just like any other bullet of the type, unless they're driven at excessive speeds. Anything over 2700-2800fps on impact can be to much.
They can be laser like, as far as accuracy goes in some rifles but just like the lighter Hornady SST type bullets, they need to be placed properly if you're worried about excess expansion, meat waste or just to close. At 100 yds, they perform just like any other bullet of the type, unless they're driven at excessive speeds. Anything over 2700-2800fps on impact can be to much.
165gr SST in 30-06 loaded to 2550-2600 fps (exactly as you say) to baby my Garand was very effective on two moose. Did do a lot of damage, but the bullets held together and mushroomed nicely
A handloader has that option, factory I dunno. Go up to 180 I guess?
The Nosler Ballistic Tips lose weight in fragmentation and core separation is common, but the jackets on the 30 cals are about 60% of the weight so penetrate a good ways even if the lead core falls out. Had don good work with the 180s as well, but switched to monos.
Seems to me, whenever anyone talks about "drop right there" consistently, its a CNS shot, and not cartridge/bullet choice. The monos haven't lead to that much more tracking than lead cored bullets. If its over an average of 15 yards per kill I'd be surprised.
Are we just discussing deer? I’ve reviewed the thread and saw no mention of anything else.
I’ve used a 115NBT at bush range from a 257weatherby on whitetail with great results. I wouldn’t be concerned about a 270 win 130grain, expect they’d damn near be identical on game. Broadside to light quartering behind the shoulder shots are typically for me.
If expecting heavier quartering shots, especially when stepping up to heavier game, I’d go tougher bullet for more insurance, but still rapid expansion, like a partition. Heavier for caliber cup and core, or some softer bonded bullets, like fusion would also suffice.
I’ve never taken a tail on shot, and don’t generally aim for shoulders. If that was the norm, I’d try a mono again. Behind the shoulder left a lot to be desired. It absolutely expanded, didn’t seem to transfer energy like a lead bullet though. My experience was with a bear, fat and long hair makes tracking much more difficult and the longer dead run wasn’t appreciated. So much so that I immediately sighted in a different bullet and haven’t used mono since.
Stepping up to a medium bore, like 35cal with a cup and core bullet is also an easy button here with a little added forgiveness of error. Although that statement is likely to ruffle feathers. A 35cal lever action really would be the ticket for thick bush deer hunting, but OP has mentioned concerns of spending that premium $$.
I’ve used a 115NBT at bush range from a 257weatherby on whitetail with great results. I wouldn’t be concerned about a 270 win 130grain, expect they’d damn near be identical on game. Broadside to light quartering behind the shoulder shots are typically for me.
If expecting heavier quartering shots, especially when stepping up to heavier game, I’d go tougher bullet for more insurance, but still rapid expansion, like a partition. Heavier for caliber cup and core, or some softer bonded bullets, like fusion would also suffice.
I’ve never taken a tail on shot, and don’t generally aim for shoulders. If that was the norm, I’d try a mono again. Behind the shoulder left a lot to be desired. It absolutely expanded, didn’t seem to transfer energy like a lead bullet though. My experience was with a bear, fat and long hair makes tracking much more difficult and the longer dead run wasn’t appreciated. So much so that I immediately sighted in a different bullet and haven’t used mono since.
Stepping up to a medium bore, like 35cal with a cup and core bullet is also an easy button here with a little added forgiveness of error. Although that statement is likely to ruffle feathers. A 35cal lever action really would be the ticket for thick bush deer hunting, but OP has mentioned concerns of spending that premium $$.
YUP ! typical CUP & CORE bullets ! only good for lung shots unless you dont care about meat damage and and lead & copper bits in the meat ! Go to Monos or Bonded ! jmo
FYI the Fusion is not a c&c bullet, it's a bonded bullet made the same way as speer gold dots.
I really liked the 140gr Fusion in my 7mm08, could get 2900fps from my 20" barrel. The component bullets were impossible to find when I ran out a few years back though so I had to switch to a different bullet. Might go back next time though, I switched to partitions and the prices on those have gone bananas...
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140 ACCUBONDS have SHOT well in lots of my 7-08 s !
