Teslong bore inspection for carbon rings.

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Life was good last year before I bought a Teslong LED bore inspection tool. Now I liken it as to buying a stroke. :)

It showed me many things that I could not see in a bore with the naked eye. Many of these things (according to the reams of YT videos) will rob us of accuracy in our rifles and thus need to be addressed. It was a steep curve at 1st and not without it troubles.

One of the things I did not know about was the dreaded carbon ring that gets baked on in the space between the end of the brass and the start of the rifling. I worked very hard and to no avail trying to rid myself of theses rings bought different magic potions that promised to get them out but in the end they would not for me, come out.

A couple weeks ago I landed a 783 in 308 for my grandson. The plan was to do light loads in it much like you'd get from a 300Savage. 1st thing I did was run the scope down the muzzle. There was copper, lots of carbon and the dreaded carbon ring. I got it all out no problem but that ring just would not come out. For over a week I used everything I had to beat it but to no avail. Then for some reason I struck me to run the scope in from the breech end instead of the muzzle. BINGO, the ring was gone and it was all nice and silver shiny. Seems that when the light goes in from the muzzle, it creates a shadow in this spot that looks like a ring, No carbon, just a shadow that looks like carbon. This is all gone when the scope goes in from the breech end.

The 1st pic is from the muzzle. I included a bit of erosion as landmark to compare to the next pics. Sure likes like a carbon ring to me. :(

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The next pic is the same spot with the scope in from the breech. Bingo, no carbon ring! Note the landmark.

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Next pic is another spot from the breech end. Clean as a whistle.

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I deal with the dreaded carbon ring and carbon in 3 F class rifles . I still like and think Thorro Clean along with Iosso blue nylon brushes and Iosso paste gets it done the Best and fastest for ME 👍

I like Bore-Tech Copper Remover the Best for Copper fouling 👍
I have some Thorro Clean here but wasn't happy with it. Turns out it was probably working just fine but the inspection was flawed and I was lead to believe it wasn't working on the rings. I also have some Bore Tech C4 carbon cleaner.
 
Do any of you guys ever use an oversized IOSSO brush with IOSSO paste on a drill? I usually just use a short chamber cleaning rod with a oversized brush with paste and sit there spinning by hand for about 10 minutes but thought a drill on low speed might be significantly faster.
 
Interesting...I've always run the teslong from the breech. I'll be trying both. I clean with patchout/accelerator but didn't seem to do much on the ring in the McGowen barrel. Breakthrough carbon pro soak and a lasso brush takes care of it no problem
 
I found the same thing Paul, so now I check it from both ends.
Not sure why I did it only from the muzzle. Probably read it somewhere and went with that. Another reason is the way my work bench is set up. It makes it more convenient to inspect from the muzzle end.

That's the thing about loading for rifles is that there are so many little rabbit holes to go down. I've been loading for about 35 years now and am still learning new things. I am somewhat resistant to new things so usually am a bit behind but do eventually get it later on. YT has been a great help with this.
 
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Damn I’m lost… so the carbon ring is still there but only from the muzzle view but still there?
When we are talking about lost in accuracy, what are we talking about exactly? I have an old Mauser 98 8x57 that have a darkish bore and I’m sure a carbon ring the size of tractor tire, but yet I printed a few groups at less than 1” @ 100m with it… but I’m sure we are talking a different accuracy here, like when a rifle shoot an inch it ain’t accurate anymore?
 
I have some Thorro Clean here but wasn't happy with it. Turns out it was probably working just fine but the inspection was flawed and I was lead to believe it wasn't working on the rings. I also have some Bore Tech C4 carbon cleaner.
Yea probably true ! I find the Thorro Clean is better then Bore Tech carbon cleaner but I really like the Bore Tech copper clean 👍
 
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Damn I’m lost… so the carbon ring is still there but only from the muzzle view but still there?
When we are talking about lost in accuracy, what are we talking about exactly? I have an old Mauser 98 8x57 that have a darkish bore and I’m sure a carbon ring the size of tractor tire, but yet I printed a few groups at less than 1” @ 100m with it… but I’m sure we are talking a different accuracy here, like when a rifle shoot an inch it ain’t accurate anymore?
When the light was inserted from the muzzle, it interacted with the geometry in the throat and end of the chamber it and LOOKED like the carbon ring was till there but it turns out that it was just a shadow. Switching to the breech gave a totally different picture.

While I cannot quantify the loss in accuracy I was seeing I do know I had a couple rifles that should have been shooting a lot better than they were which caused me to look into better cleaning. I'd be very happy with a hunting rifle that shot 1" groups consistently and would not be messing with that bore until it started shooting poorly. I think a dirty bore gives us more grief than we know. There are tons of guys out there that think that a couple swipes of Hoppes #9 will do all the cleaning they need. They have no idea about copper and carbon fouling and probably wouldn't believe you if you told them
 
SuperCub : I think a dirty bore gives us more grief than we know. There are tons of guys out there that think that a couple swipes of Hoppes #9 will do all the cleaning they need. They have no idea about copper and carbon fouling and probably wouldn't believe you if you told them .

YUP - theres guys that NEVER ever clean there guns - just shoot them - and always TACK DRIVERS too ! o_O Liars they are ! :p
To LAZY to clean them and a complete Lack of knowlewdge on how to do it properly !
But there is You Tube and other sites with Lots of INFO ! Get ER Done ! (y)
 
Well I’m do clean them but do I really know what I’m doing, I don’t think so. It is really hard to sort through all the yt videos, which ones are good and which one are garbage!
 
At 6;00 min detailed carbon ring cleaning is discussed....it is the process I use except instead of Thoroclean products I use Boretech products.
I soak a large size chamber mop in Boretech C4 and push it into the throat area just until begins to enter the rifling and let it sit there overnight with the muzzle down. Next day brush out with an oversized nylon brush as in the video.
 
SC - In your first pic that just looks like the chamber 'end' to me, not a C-ring. I've used a Teslong for only about 6-7 years, mostly in 22s for C-rings that begin to develop around 100-150 rounds even with 'better' ammo. Except for my SKS I don't see much Carbon in other calibers (MilSurp ammo) but I do go after Copper build-up. Various Cu solvents all work about the same, but for the Carbon in 22s the Boretech C4 with a wet patch for about an hour usually does the trick. I once left it in overnight and got brown 'water stains' in the chamber. And the marks are slowly 'fading' but did not come out with C4 on a brass brush after a second cleaning (pic). I didn't 'go nutz' on the stains.And I've read that running Iosso very often can lead to wearing the chamber, that matters in 22 accuracy IMO.
As for 'what the vids mean', I don't use YT for information like that. I've done lots of vids of my own, to document progress on various rifles. I go to 'Accurate shooter' and 'Rimfire accuracy' forums for Info on cleaning, tech, etc. where there are 'informed opinions', Not Clik-baits.
Here are Stains from C4 'overnight soak' - The B22 still does 0.5-6xx" at 50, and the range has been closed since early Aug due to Fire Hazard - to re-open tomorrow 8/26.

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Like fishing with a fish-finder.... in the old days, after 10 minutes we would assume there were no fish and move to a new spot, and find the active fish. Now that we can see the fish, you sit there for an hour trying to catch fish that aren't biting. Sometimes the old days worked out better.
 
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