Lee Enfield #7 VALUE?

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What would be the the fair selling price for a VG cond LE Long Br war dated in the original .22 trainer config...with a LE transit wooden box and the cleaning rod, sling, etc.

I have not used mine for the last 10 yrs and i am considering selling...

Thanks and happy Easter
 
JacquesT said:
What would be the the fair selling price for a VG cond LE Long Br war dated in the original .22 trainer config...with a LE transit wooden box and the cleaning rod, sling, etc.

I have not used mine for the last 10 yrs and i am considering selling...

Thanks and happy Easter
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Happy Easter to you as well ... :)

Is it a 44 or 45?

For comparison, here's a 1944 C No.7 .22 Caliber Lee-Enfield Training Rifle (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=2192 in the Knowledge Library.

If it's "all correct" (not an armourer put-together) and complete, a 44 could fetch a nice amount, possibly well north of $1,500 if you have multiple serious collectors interested. It depends a lot on law of supply and demand, plus who is looking and interested on any given day. If it's as nice as it sounds and if it were mine, I'd have a tendency to put it up for auction and see what happens.

Got any pics of it?

Hope this helps ...

Regards,
Badger
 
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Jacques- Those dings in the wood will affect that price somewhat-that price is for a concours mint mint piece. One of the things that people will want to know for sure is whether the serial number was scrubbed and restamped (as a great many of them have been) or it's a totally untouched original. Scrubbing shows easily usually as a rough patch near the serial number.
Are the bolt and receiver numbers matching?

Also, is the flat on the barrel parallel to the top of the rear sight bridge, so the front and rear sights perfectly align as from factory? Lots of them aren't.
 
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cantom said:
Jacques- Those dings in the wood will affect that price somewhat-that price is for a concours mint mint piece. One of the things that people will want to know for sure is whether the serial number was scrubbed and restamped (as a great many of them have been) or it's a totally untouched original. Scrubbing shows easily usually as a rough patch near the serial number.
Are the bolt and receiver numbers matching?

Also, is the flat on the barrel parallel to the top of the rear sight bridge, so the front and rear sights perfectly align as from factory? Lots of them aren't.
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Serial number is from the 0L series of 1944...no sign of renumbering...the number would be of a later production if ever changed.
As for the allignment of the flats...not a concern; i shot many 99 scores on the cadet targets...as i used to do in the 60s.
 
Edited to add, looks like your rifle sold and congratulations on that, a very good price if it's anywhere near!! Actually the highest price I've ever seen for a Cno7. I'm impressed.




The transit chest, rod and attachments are very key to getting a good price too...should be pics of them. Great thing about pics is they cost nothing. A pic like this would go a long way.

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JacquesT said:
Is it a 44 or 45?

Stamping shows 3 lines:

.22
Long Branch
1944

Pic :
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/jacques1952/PICT6883.jpg
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http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/jacques1952/PICT6878.jpg
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Thanks for the pics .... it makes it a lot easier to assess.... :)

I agree with Cantom.... nice piece, but in my opinion, the dings definitely cause a drag on the price for the serious collector. Condition and completeness is everything for premium prices, but I'd still run an auction with a "Buy Now" at $1500 and see if there's an anxious buyer with extra money to burn.

If ~Angel~ was in the market for another No.7 (NO, she has two already!), I think she'd probably pay no more than $1,200 for this one. I assume the chest is by HCF and it has four (4) screw hinges?

Regards,
Badger
 
BadgerDog said:
Thanks for the pics .... it makes it a lot easier to assess.... :)

I agree with Cantom.... nice piece, but in my opinion, the dings definitely cause a drag on the price for the serious collector. Condition and completeness is everything for premium prices, but I'd still run an auction with a "Buy Now" at $1500 and see if there's an anxious buyer with extra money to burn.

If ~Angel~ was in the market for another No.7 (NO, she has two already!), I think she'd probably pay no more than $1,200 for this one. I assume the chest is by HCF and it has four (4) screw hinges?

Regards,
Badger
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4 screw hinges it is...
I have seen many markings on these transit box, seems every Cadet Corps would lable them their own way. I recall the best shooters even had their name on the box...I participated in 68-70 period to the PQRA competition at Côte des Neiges Armoury, in Montréal, for the annual shooting Army cadet competition...these were the days...

I agree, if I had two already i would not pay much for a third one...unless I was a CGN or a wise investor.
 
I learned to shoot in cadets with one of those. Cadets gave a lot of us kids who grew up with single parent Mom only households a chance to learn about and use firearms that would have never had the chance otherwise.
 
BadgerDog said:
Thanks ... :)

I just noticed, is that a replacment mag as I don't see the ".22' marking on the side?

Good luck with the sale ... :cheers:

Regards,
Badger
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I would not call it replacement mag...unless ALL #7 had the .22 stamp on their mag...I am no expert but the stamping on the receiver changed at least 3 times during production and after on refit, so it maybe that this early batch did not have the .22 markings...it has the proper follower with the ramp and brass catcher. What i recall of the #7 during my cadet days, is that they they did not have the .22 marking...personnally I only saw this mag marking on photos.

Is there an expert in the room????

Cheers
 
I stand to be corrected, but all of the early "0L###" 44's (see left pic below) I've seen came with the mag marked .22. From my Cadet days in the early 60's, I also remember seeing them with and without.

I have also seen 45 and 46's with the "22" marking on the mag (see right pic below), but I don't know if that's an owner add-on, or they came that way. Stencollector should be able to validate this.

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Given the fact they are removable, I wold imagine a lot got lost and they do turn up advertised for sale on Internet sites from time to time.

Regards,
Badger
 
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JacquesT said:
I would not call it replacement mag...unless ALL #7 had the .22 stamp on their mag...I am no expert but the stamping on the receiver changed at least 3 times during production and after on refit, so it maybe that this early batch did not have the .22 markings...it has the proper follower with the ramp and brass catcher. What i recall of the #7 during my cadet days, is that they they did not have the .22 marking...personnally I only saw this mag marking on photos.

Is there an expert in the room????

Cheers
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There was a .22 marked Cno7 mag for sale on the EE the other day.
 
Of course, one never says never when it comes to Enfields, but, to the best of my knowledge, they all should have had the 22. The marking of the empty shells went back to some of the earlier 22 conversions.
When a mag was lost, they could have been made up from replacement parts which could have included #4 shells. But that would not have been factory, and there was a slight difference in the front lips of the 22 magazine, where they contact the platform.
 
stencollector said:
Of course, one never says never when it comes to Enfields, but, to the best of my knowledge, they all should have had the 22. The marking of the empty shells went back to some of the earlier 22 conversions.
When a mag was lost, they could have been made up from replacement parts which could have included #4 shells. But that would not have been factory, and there was a slight difference in the front lips of the 22 magazine, where they contact the platform.
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can anyone identify .22 mag lips...without looking at the follower!!!...
here is a picture...303 and 22...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/jacques1952/PICT6906.jpg
I do not have access to the Skennerton book...does it have illustration of the 22 mag lips?...could there be 22 mags without the .22 stamp?
 
JacquesT said:
can anyone identify .22 mag lips...without looking at the follower!!!...
here is a picture...303 and 22...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/jacques1952/PICT6906.jpg
I do not have access to the Skennerton book...does it have illustration of the 22 mag lips?...could there be 22 mags without the .22 stamp?
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Good pic, they are kind of squared off looking. But as for function, I've stuck Cno7 followers into several mag shells and they worked fine, after all functionwise they're just a single shot platform... The issue here is the originality of the rifle and value derived therof. Here's a couple of pics of my mag.

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Case should be marked. Check for "C" Broad Arrow Canadian Military Acceptance Mark and "LB" Longbranch Inspection Mark markings as well ... :)

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Regards,
Badger
 
cantom said:
Good pic, they are kind of squared off looking. But as for function, I've stuck Cno7 followers into several mag shells and they worked fine, after all functionwise they're just a single shot platform... The issue here is the originality of the rifle and value derived therof. Here's a couple of pics of my mag.

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I like your lips...looks just like my LB .22 mag without the .22 stamp!!
Thanks for the photos.
 
JacquesT said:
I like your lips...looks just like my LB .22 mag without the .22 stamp!!
Thanks for the photos.
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I suppose if the lips are the same profile as the .22 marked mag it might just be a mag from before they started marking them 22. It's an early 0L 44 after all.

It's kind of like T sniper rifles, the early Brit ones didn't have the target sling swivel, but people have added them on over the years so they'd look more original...:rolleyes:
 
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