Since when is an FRT required by law?
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VictoryRidgeCS
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Since Bill C21 passed.
Thanks.
Does that mean a separate NR FRT was indeed obtained for the machined upper receiver in question?
I have to admit I'm a bit puzzled.
The firearm is the lower receiver, this is the part that receives the FRT. Right?
The semi-auto conversion in question does not touch the lower receiver, at least to my understanding.
Which means there is actually no way for the RCMP firearms labs to even consider a different firearm for a different FRT.
Correct me if i'm missing something?
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- Barrie, Ontario
The Renegade is a bolt-action rifle. The upper portion that contains the action and the barrel is the receiver and the bottom portion that contains the trigger and magwell is the bottom metal. The Receiver has the model and make markings along with the serial number making it the "firearm" according to the Firearms Act. In this way, it is the Receiver that has the NR FRT. Therefore, any machining of the Recevier to make it function in a manner not consistent with the current FRT, will make the converted Renegade a new firearm and thus will require a new FRT before it can be made and sold legally.
Furthermore, the Renegade accepts magazines that were orignally designed to hold more than the legal capacity of 5 rounds. If the Renegade were to be machined into a new semi-auto firearm, this design and production would take place after December 15, 2023 and thus be in breach of the magazines restriictions found in Bill C-21.
How long does it usually take you guys to ship an in stock rifle?
I ordered last Tuesday and it’s still showing as processing.
I’m not in any hurry, maybe these are built to order?
Edit: called and they picked up the phone after hours. Said it’d be out in a couple weeks.
I ordered last Tuesday and it’s still showing as processing.
I’m not in any hurry, maybe these are built to order?
Edit: called and they picked up the phone after hours. Said it’d be out in a couple weeks.
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Ah, now I understand. Thanks! Indeed if the upper receiver is the rifle then what you explain makes sense. Much appreciate your input and help understanding this.
Cheers MRA
I like the K31 charging handle design, was thinking it would be a good addition to the MRA straight pull action of rifles.
The horizontal barrel charging handle is ok, but some people might like the K31 option .
Jet cut, beveled, deburred, and powder coating or Cerakote.
I attached the addresses for the add on K31.
*** quote from the site***
Our handle greatly improves the ergonomics of the charging movement, while remaining very light, and retaining the familiar handling of our favorite carabiner.
The horizontal barrel charging handle is ok, but some people might like the K31 option .
Jet cut, beveled, deburred, and powder coating or Cerakote.
I attached the addresses for the add on K31.
*** quote from the site***
Our handle greatly improves the ergonomics of the charging movement, while remaining very light, and retaining the familiar handling of our favorite carabiner.
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Hey MRA, I did a bit of research and it is now my understanding that you are mistaken about FRT now being required by Bill C21.
Some parts of C21 did in fact come into force, but the government of Canada website states that the specific proposed regulations requiring FRT for manufacturers was open for consultation with Canadians until February 2025. So with prorogation and elections, this part never came into force?
See "Regulatory Measures" section here :
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/trnstn-bndrs/20250422/02-en.aspx
So unless I'm missing something else, if an FRT is indeed still not required by law, then this would negate your assumptions and statements about this modification.
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- Location
- Barrie, Ontario
While the FRT is not a requirement by law, it is the responsiblity of the manufacturer to ensure the firearm is being produced and sold according to the correct classification. The Renegade and Maverick are non-restricted bolt action rifles. If they are specifically altereted to operate semi-automatic, how can anyone be certain they are still non-retricted firearms. It would seem that they would in fact fit the criteria for the semi-auto gun ban as cited by Public Safety Canada below. There are over 4,000 Renegade and Maverick rifles currently in the Canadian market.
On May 1, 2020, the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted were amended to prescribe as prohibited approximately 1,500 models of firearms and their variants, along with upper receivers for some newly-prohibited firearms. Of those, nine principal models of assault-style firearms are prohibited as they have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical military design with large magazine capacity); are of modern design; and are present in large volumes in the Canadian market.
Lockhart can go make their own S/A rifle or mess with someone elses product. Leave ours alone!
Well hold on a second.
You first answered me that FRT was required by law after the passing of C21.
Then when I find something solid that says it isn't, you answer me something completely different, almost like you knew all along and just tried to trick me/us into believing a lie about the FRT requirement. Did you?
Because now it just sounds like you're mad at Lockhart and nothing else. Which is vastly, vastly different than claiming their modification is illegal.
One could argue this whole situation is your own fault for designing a rifle that could later be modified to SA, and if it wasn't Lockhart someone else would've eventually figured it out. You don't think thats the very first question everyone has on their mind when they first see this rifle? Come on now.
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OK Mr. internet police. Are you OK?
In fact, I would argue that my discussion with MRA has constructively shed light on a few things. It has answered questions I had, and I suspect its actually helped others understand the situation too.
Not sure why you care about my discussion with MRA so much. No one is forcing you to read any of it. Feel free to block me and go on with your day. This is MRA's section, not yours. If they want to delete our exchange and consider I was a d1ck to them (which I wasn't), then they can go right ahead and do that, but I of course screenshotted it to retain the integrity of anything that would get censored. In my world, them lying to me would me more of a d1ck move than me finding out about it or anything else i've said. I was nothing but polite to them. I was even considerate enough to not mention Lockhart's name in my initial replies, and held off until they themselves named them. Thats respectful enough, no?
In the meantime, I wish you all the very best, whoever you are.
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Yes you’re a regular crusader.
I’m here because I’m interested in a renegade receiver and am interested in what MRA has to say about them in their thread. Unfortunately your gopher hole comments keep getting in the way.
They’ve answered your questions - you’re not content with the answers and are sure something nefarious is up - lies and deceit to be sure!
The rcmp will ban whatever they want, regardless of whether they ‘should’ or not. An frt isn’t mandatory, sure, but black rifles that don’t have one don’t seem to last long.
The Lockhart mod is definitely going to bring more rcmp/poly attention to this bolt action platform - particularly because of the way it looks.
That could potentially shorten its NR lifespan for all the customers to date, and prospective future buyers.
Kind of a selfish move on Lockharts part to put someone else’s product at risk.
Cool story.
so why am I not on your ignore list yet? why do you keep engaging with me if im in the way of your internet safe space? I dont care about your precious cyber feelings one bit and will keep discussing whatever I want.
Get it? Got it? Good.
Have a nice day.
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- Barrie, Ontario
I did not lie to anyone, I was mistaken and I corrected myself. What more do you want?
The FRT requirement is not law yet but the Liberal Governement has said they are looking at making it a requirement. Regardless, it is the manufactruers responsibility to ensure the firearm is classified correctly when producing and selling the firearm. An FRT ensures the firearm is classified correctly.
Aside from the FRT issue, the firearm they would produce would indeed be illegal with respect to this part of Bill C-21. This specific criterion was added to the definition of a prohibited firearm by the amendment to Bill C-21, which received Royal Assent on December 15, 2023.
"A firearm designed and manufactured after December 15, 2023, may be classified as a prohibited firearm in Canada if it is not a handgun, discharges centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner, and was originally designed with a detachable magazine with a capacity of six or more cartridges, according to Public Safety Canada."
So while yes we are indeed mad at Lockhart for a variety of reasons, this does not discount the fact that what they are proposing is in our opinion illegal.
One cannot argue this is our fault, the Renegade and Maverick were designed to prevent modification to semi-auto using common knowledge and tools. The fact that Lockharts proposed service requires specialized tools and machinery, specilaized knowlege, and 3rd party parts means that they are making a completely new firearm. Whether they machine their receiver from a billet, a forging, or a partially finished receiver is immaterial to the fact they are producing their own firearm with our markings on them.
VictoryRidgeCS
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Yes! What I did for a customer one time, is I took the gas tube, flipped it around so the hole no longer aligned with the port, and pinned it back in place, then I cut it short and plugged up the end with a random pin I had in the workshop to really close up the hole. When I hammered in the pin it flared the tube out to close the hole in the front sight. a great fit and no extra expense. It did sacrifice the gas tube though.
