Gunsmith DESTROYED 1911 Slide - Legal Opinions

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There's something funny about how the older folks in the gun community get very sensitive about PAL information for parts / ammo purchases, but they're totally okay with gunsmiths getting away with destroying firearms and not being held liable.

Crazy.
 
I suggest you get this tread locked, before the company gets mentioned, and in CGN tradition gets dragged thru the mud.

This would diminish, or even eliminate your chances to get anything.
 
johnlemon said:
I strongly disagree that 2900 is generous.

If I crashed your car and you had to take the bus for 2 years, would you only expect the cost of your car because it was cheap ?
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Yup Insurance ####ed over my step father in repair of his SUV. Dealer started to charge him 20$ a day.

I'd want at least 5k.
 
I had a Smith mess up and drill a hole right through the barrel of a rifle I had taken in to get drilled and tapped for a scout mount. They were totally up front about it (didn't try to hide it) and offered to replace the whole rifle with a brand new one which they did and and the whole thing was resolved within a week.
 
Personally , I would take the money and run ; but it really comes down to how expensive the pistol was when you bought it ; and if the 2900 included the return of your pistol.
 
johnlemon said:
Again, they've offered 2900 for the WAIVER. Their offer of that 2900 for my waiver INCLUDES them repairing and returning the handgun functioning.

The issue is that they keep extending this timeline and we are headed past 3 years very soon, you're missing the bigger picture. Its not about the price of the handgun or the model of the handgun.
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They were incompetent the first time they messed up the slide and didn't take responsibility. Then incompetent to fix this in a timely manner. And you still want them to finish?

Don't need to put my hand in fire twice to know its gonna burn and hurt.

Counter with a lawyer, as they dont care. Theyre shoving 2900 for you to F off.
 
johnlemon said:
Hopefully you can understand how I'm feeling when the first person that comes to mind for fixing these issues is actually the one that's been dragging me through this nightmare. You've named the party responsible for destroying the 1911 slide.
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That's unfortunate, I guess reputations are not what they used to be. But do take my advice in contacting the other options I mentioned to you.
johnlemon said:
Do you think $2900 would cover me sending a pile of random parts to a gunsmith to build me a custom 1911 ?

I doubt that, highly.
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Yes? Even full custom 1911s start around $2500 all the way into the 10's and 20's. And you don't really want a full custom 1911, right? You just want a nice forged slide and probably a new barrel fitted onto your existing, irreplaceable, registered frame. Get your parts back, take the money, get it fixed, start enjoying your pistol again, and forget this ever happened. That company will get what's coming to them eventually one way or another.
 
johnlemon said:
Can you respond to my earlier question ?

I understand you think I should move on from this, I very much want to, who would you suggest I take a 1911 to ?
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I have been out of handgun repairs for 25 years... haven't anyone to reccomend

Was it a custom 1911 they butchered? What was it?
 
Whats the Big Dollar Figure you have in mind that would stuff your wallet and put a mile wide smile on your face!

Is it a $300 Norinco or a worn out 1911 Colt needing some love? ❤️

Tell us more about what it really is. Enquiring minds want to know!

Maybe you could tell your story on a late night talk show or SNL?


johnlemon said:
Howdy Folks,


Not going to state who (yet) but one of the industry members on this forum who advertises gunsmithing services has DESTROYED my 1911 slide.


I shipped them my slide almost 3 years ago, and followed up with the rest of the handgun as they had stated they were going to fix the whole thing and put it back to the state it should have been in, should they have taken proper duty of care.


The date they received the slide was early February of 2023, they kept telling me there were 'delays' until I finally forced it out of them 11 months later that they had destroyed the slide completely and were uncertain of what to do.


A further 2 months after that was the timeline for them to suggest taking the entire handgun in for remanufacturing (as the 1911 slide would need fitment to be replaced). I then sent them my 1911 handgun in its entirety. I have not seen my handgun or any component of it since then.


They have had their lawyer on-and-off contact me about resolution and I've been forced to get 'nasty' with them to the point that getting a timeline out of them was difficult. The timeline they had provided this summer for resolution on this nearly 3-year struggle was September (now). Unfortunately they have blown past this date and I am now sat here looking at filing a lawsuit, as it doesn't seem I have any other option.


Given these circumstances, what would you do with a major gunsmith/retailer;


  1. Destroyed pistol slide and took a year to acknowledge it, now nearly 3 years in total since project start
  2. Offered nothing in compensation for nearly 3 years of lost enjoyment
  3. Still has not returned my handgun or any component of it since February 2023
  4. Expects me to sign a document waiving my right to sue them, with a compensation of only $2900

P.S. I'll add that they've been rude during this process and treating my frustration like I'm being 'weird', when I only got difficult with them after 2+ years.
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OkayShooter said:
Yup Insurance ####ed over my step father in repair of his SUV. Dealer started to charge him 20$ a day.

I'd want at least 5k.
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OkayShooter said:
They were incompetent the first time they messed up the slide and didn't take responsibility. Then incompetent to fix this in a timely manner. And you still want them to finish?

Don't need to put my hand in fire twice to know its gonna burn and hurt.

Counter with a lawyer, as they dont care. Theyre shoving 2900 for you to F off.
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I appreciate that, thank you.

I have effectively leased my property to them without ever agreeing to do so, and as a result, I no longer have my 1911 and can’t use it for the purpose I purchased it for. This situation has taken up massive amounts of my time and has seriously impacted my enjoyment of the sport.

No one wants their hobby to be overshadowed by lawsuits and stressful situations like this. I’m not saying all three years have been like that, but it has been boiling over—especially in the last six months. No one here can fully appreciate how stressful it is to even type all this out and go through this process. This is absolutely not what I signed up for.
 
guntech said:
I have been out of handgun repairs for 25 years... haven't anyone to reccomend

Was it a custom 1911 they butchered? What was it?
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Alright, I'm saddened to hear that.

I was really hopeful you might have a good direction for me to take this. Hopefully someone else has an idea as to what other options are out there for me to get this resolved. Without a clear path forward, I don't know how I am supposed to be whole again. I was really hoping to have another gunsmith in mind so I could contact them and get a ballpark price to fix the handgun, as that would guide my hand in terms of what to do next.
 
johnlemon said:
I appreciate that, thank you.

I have effectively leased my property to them without ever agreeing to do so, and as a result, I no longer have my 1911 and can’t use it for the purpose I purchased it for. This situation has taken up massive amounts of my time and has seriously impacted my enjoyment of the sport.

No one wants their hobby to be overshadowed by lawsuits and stressful situations like this. I’m not saying all three years have been like that, but it has been boiling over—especially in the last six months. No one here can fully appreciate how stressful it is to even type all this out and go through this process. This is absolutely not what I signed up for.
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This whole tread is getting pathetic, I am not even sure if the whole thing is made up by the OP.

What make of gun is it, is it an expensive custom gun????
This question was asked at least 10 times already, but you refuse to give this simple information.

Is this your communication style with the gunsmith who "screwed up"?
I am not surprised anymore.
 
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