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Yanick

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Hi folks,
I need your help on this one. I want to build a tank for rust blueing. Building the tank is no problem, but finding an electric element to boil the water inside is a bit complicated. I don't want to use propane because I want to be able to use it inside as well. Can you folks help me find or any suggestions on electric heating element that I can just plug in the electric outlet of my house.

Thanks
 
The same ventilation required for the boiling water should be capable of exhausting propane fumes... and I would not recommend doing it in the house at all... a shop or garage with an old furnace fan set up for exhaust and a window for fresh air supply...
 
It will be much slower than using either a natural gas or propane "pipe" burner, however, I'm wondering if say 4 automotive block heaters might serve as adequate "elements" ??? You would have to braze threaded fittings on to the sides of the tank to insert them.
 
I don't know alot about hot blueing. But if an open element electric imersion heater is all you need you can usually find them at Peavy Mart or other "farm" type stores. These are generally used to thaw frozen buckets etc. Some have thermostats others do not but almost all can boil water. Another possibility is a magnetic oil pan heater, these come with an adjustable thermostat and the magnet holds it to the engine block or oilpan you are heating.
 
I boil on the kitchen range with the tang kitty corner across the large elements. And, yes, I'll be going to a different setup in the near future. I'll probably use two two-element hot plates.

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Yanic don' do it in the house. The fumes from this stuff will rust everythig.
It is also very spattery when you add water to 295 liquid which you will have to do as it evaporates.
If you do it in the house take picks of your wifeys face when she sees what you ate doing.
About the heating element go to the dump or look for a used stove oven element. I think the ones at brownells have 4000w heaters.
Show picks of the outcome ether way.
Stephen
 
Yanick said:
Thanks for the info guys. I don't want to use the tank to do hot blueing but rust bluing, so it will only be water in the tank. Do you think this will do the job?

http://www.amazon.com/Kats-1153-Watt-Magnetic-Heater/dp/B000BOABS6
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Not a chance. My 6 x6 x40 inch tank has 4 small stove elements under it. That's 5000 watts. It takes 20 minutes to bring the tank half full of water to a boil. A 200 watt emersion heater just wouldn't cut it. A setup like mine is not expensive to built if you have enough junk kicking around or know someone that does.
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http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh145/darxtar75/?action=view&current=Picture7798a.jpg
 
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darxtar said:
Not a chance. My 6 x6 x40 inch tank has 4 small stove elements under it. That's 5000 watts. It takes 20 minutes to bring the tank half full of water to a boil. A 200 watt emersion heater just wouldn't cut it. A setup like mine is not expensive to built if you have enough junk kicking around or know someone that does.
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh145/darxtar75/?action=view&current=Picture7796a.jpg
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh145/darxtar75/?action=view&current=Picture7798a.jpg
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Nice set-up

Is that 220 volt? What amperage?
 
That is a nice set up you have darxtar.Does it work as good as it looks.






Not a chance. My 6 x6 x40 inch tank has 4 small stove elements under it. That's 5000 watts. It takes 20 minutes to bring the tank half full of water to a boil. A 200 watt emersion heater just wouldn't cut it. A setup like mine is not expensive to built if you have enough junk kicking around or know someone that does.
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh145/darxtar75/?action=view&current=Picture7796a.jpg
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my86hd said:
That is a nice set up you have darxtar.Does it work as good as it looks.
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Well, we've done two complete rifles and a shotgun barrel so far using PJ's rust bluing stuff and was amazed at the results, so much so that I would never consider the caustic hot bluing route. We have PJ's parking solution too, but want to wait till late spring so we can ventilate without driving my home heating bill through the roof. I had originally designed it so it could be easily torn down and put away, but dicovered that if you flip the tank upside down you have a little workbench. Then I made some brackets for the rifle rest and can bolt that to it too, in about two minutes, so I guess it'll stay there forever. Not including the tank it only cost about 50 bucks.
 
water heater??????

darxtar said:
Not a chance. My 6 x6 x40 inch tank has 4 small stove elements under it. That's 5000 watts. It takes 20 minutes to bring the tank half full of water to a boil. A 200 watt emersion heater just wouldn't cut it. A setup like mine is not expensive to built if you have enough junk kicking around or know someone that does.
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh145/darxtar75/?action=view&current=Picture7796a.jpg
http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh145/darxtar75/?action=view&current=Picture7798a.jpg
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Are the 2 red cases the stuff you use to boil them in ?? lol
 
This works for me

I have a setup that works for me. I do about two or three rust blue jobs per year.

Coleman camp stove, pressure vessel, rubber hose, oak steam box.

Slow trickle of gentle steam with door slightly open makes for a great high humidity rusting chamber. When metal is red, I close up the door and crank up the steam for half an hour. Gets up to 100 celsius pretty quickly and cooks the rust black.


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Is also good for cleaning stocks, brings out cosmo, removes dings, no warpage.
 
englishman_ca said:
I have a setup that works for me. I do about two or three rust blue jobs per year.

Coleman camp stove, pressure vessel, rubber hose, oak steam box.

Slow trickle of gentle steam with door slightly open makes for a great high humidity rusting chamber. When metal is red, I close up the door and crank up the steam for half an hour. Gets up to 100 celsius pretty quickly and cooks the rust black.


2-1.jpg


Is also good for cleaning stocks, brings out cosmo, removes dings, no warpage.
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Is that a No7 Lee Enfield carrying box?
 
englishman_ca said:
I have a setup that works for me. I do about two or three rust blue jobs per year.

Coleman camp stove, pressure vessel, rubber hose, oak steam box.

Slow trickle of gentle steam with door slightly open makes for a great high humidity rusting chamber. When metal is red, I close up the door and crank up the steam for half an hour. Gets up to 100 celsius pretty quickly and cooks the rust black.


2-1.jpg


Is also good for cleaning stocks, brings out cosmo, removes dings, no warpage.
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Looks like a good system. Do you card the rust at some point? Or is it a one shot deal?
 
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