Resizing, rim / weight sorting

To be fair, sorting *does* help. It just doesn't help enough to really bother with. I mean, Olympic shooting teams had dedicated tools built to speed up rim sorting, according to the local Canadian Olympic shooter I know. Whether it is still worthwhile today compared to decades ago might be another matter. It is possible that manufacturing tolerances we see today have been tightened up enough to make the practice less worthwhile than it may have been in the past. Maybe that's why the amount of difference it can make is as small as it is nowadays.

I've tested weight sorting, rim sorting, rim to driving band sorting, and squishing rounds with the Waltz die, all quite extensively. (Sometimes sorting/squishing entire 5000-round cases.) Every single method returned some positive results. None of it would turn CCI Standard Velocity into Eley Tenex. You're not going to save a bunch of money and get waaaay better ammo out of it. If you don't mind spending a ton of time doing it then you will get slightly better results than if you don't do it. Even if you're sorting Eley Tenex or Lapua X-Act. Just don't expect it to turn Eley Sport into Eley Tenex, because it isn't going to do that. It's generally not going to be enough of an improvement to even turn Eley Sport into Eley Club. But it will turn Eley Sport into a slightly better Eley Sport.

Frankly, the reduction in variance can't not help. The math won't let it not help. And it does indeed help. The magnitude of the improvement just isn't as large as we'd like it to be. If you're seriously bored and have nothing else to keep you occupied, it doesn't hurt. If you really want to get better results the best way to do it is to spend more money. And the time spent doing this is jacking up the price in the end anyway, unless you don't value your time at all. Buying a case of Eley Sport and adding the time to sort is going to be more expensive than simply buying a case of Eley Club. And the Club is still going to shoot better. You can use the culled rounds for warmup, or seasoning the bore after cleaning, to defray some of the cost.

Someone mentioned "you don't know what you're weighing" as someone always does. This is true, you don't know what you're weighing since you're weighing a complete round with five different sources of variance, but ultimately that doesn't really matter much. Why? Two rounds that both weigh 50.7 grains are more likely to be similar than two rounds where one weighs 50.2 grains and the other weighs 50.9 grains. The two 50.7-grain rounds aren't guaranteed to be similar, but the chances are much greater than two rounds that have different weights. I've taken apart enough rounds and weighed the components to know the majority of any weight difference is in the bullet. The cases and powder do have some small variance, too, but the vast majority is in the bullets. And the bullet is the vast majority of the weight, period, so this shouldn't be a surprise. Even with 1000 rounds that all have the same rim thickness and all weigh the same amount you're still going to see variance on target. The amount of primer compound and mixture varies. The amount of powder and mixture varies. The bullets aren't perfectly shaped. They're not all perfectly crimped with the same amount of seal. They don't all have the same amount of lube, and that's yet another mixture that can vary.

Sorting by rims won't make all the ones in the good pile identical, but they will be more alike. Sorting by weight won't make all the ones in the good pile identical, but they will be more alike. Sorting by rim to driving band won't make all the ones in the good pile identical, but they will be more alike. Even squishing up a bunch with the Waltz die won't make all the ones in the pile identical, but they will be more alike. And being more alike will yield better performance. Just don't expect earth-shattering differences, because you won't get them. Testing with very large sample sizes will indeed verify that there is a very real improvement from sorting via any method. It's just that it also happens to be a relatively small improvement. But if you're culling 15% of the rounds because of the rims, and 15% because of the weight, and 15% because of the rim to driveband length, you don't end up having all that much in the good pile. You'd be better off just buying better ammo. I know it makes a difference after seeing the evidence from all of my own personal tests. But I rarely bother doing it anymore, unless I get really, really bored.
 
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There's another dimension to look at measuring for sorting, base-to-ogive length. I can't say it made an obviously noticeable difference when I tried it, bad ammo still shot large groups, fliers were still fliers. I would have had to test and record data more thoroughly to detect any possible improvements. A lack of clear, obvious benefit led me to abandon sorting.
 
Yeah, that's what I called rim to driveband, since that's what it is actually measuring to, the start of the driving band. When I wanted one nobody seemed to have any current contact info for that guy, so I ended up taking a friend's apart to measure and draw one up myself, and had it made by PCBWay's machining service. :D
 
The G3 base-to-ogive tool is not something that is currently used by serious competitors in ARA, at least not that anyone will admit.

Whenever a method of improving .22LR results draws attention, it inevitably initially gains adherents, sometimes among serious competitors and otherwise knowledgeable shooters, who invariably abandon such methods.

For example, sorting ammo by rim thickness was a "thing" some decades ago and many serious shooters tried it. The fact that it's not used among them any longer is revealing. The same can be said for sorting by other means, including for concentricity or average MV.

The most reliable way to find good .22LR ammo is to test quality match varieties.
 
When you're allowed to tune your barrel that takes care of a lot of things. When you're not, every little advantage helps. The Olympic shooter I know shot in the Olympics a long time ago. I can imagine that rim thickness variance was a lot larger back then, and was eventually something ammo manufacters made efforts to improve that. This is why I figure it may have made enough of a difference back then to have shooters at that level bother with. These days, I doubt they still do. It would be interesting to find someone with a cache of old ammo to measure and see if the variance was indeed larger back then. I'll have to keep this in mind for the next time I see him, as I believe he has a whack of hold RWS and Eley kicking around, still. I doubt very much he'd mind giving me a bunch to measure and then return to him. I better put a note to myself in my range kit concerning this or else I'll forget, haha.
 
Sorting 22LR ammo is a giant waste of time.
If you want accuracy; Obtain or have built a rimfire rifle that that is known for accuracy.
Test various kinds of match ammo, RWS, Lapuw, Eley by Lot number. When you find the Lot # that shoots best in your rifle buy as much as you can afford and then double that.
That is about the best one can do in Canada where we have no 22LR ammo test facilities.
 
Jerry is wrong, we used to be able to call that position an idiot but today being wome we csnnot

jerry go bsck to cemterfire you know very oittle ie nothing,sbout,RIMFIRE BENCHREST TESTING OR TUNING

JEFF
 
The Eley Okotoks facility has been out of action for several years.
last year the do;ks told me they DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH AMMO OR ANYTHING DECDNT TO TEST IN,ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SO WERE NOT RESTING,AMMO FOR FOLKS

Straight from them at that time when we could not get much DECENT ammo in any meaningful quantities

Jeff
 
Perhaps it's just as well that Eley testing at Okotoks has not been available. In recent years widespread reports indicate that it's become more difficult to find good lots of Eley match ammo. While the cause of the change in Eley quality isn't clear (at one time Eley dominated in RFBR), it's meant that more shooters are relying on Lapua.

The lots of Tenex produced in 2023 that I tested were very disappointing. I have some lots of Match made in 2025 that I haven't yet tested but I won't be holding my breath.
 
Perhaps it's just as well that Eley testing at Okotoks has not been available. In recent years widespread reports indicate that it's become more difficult to find good lots of Eley match ammo. While the cause of the change in Eley quality isn't clear (at one time Eley dominated in RFBR), it's meant that more shooters are relying on Lapua.

The lots of Tenex produced in 2023 that I tested were very disappointing. I have some lots of Match made in 2025 that I haven't yet tested but I won't be holding my breath.
Ive seen Annie 54s not shoot Tenex as well as STD + or RM.
 
In recent years widespread reports indicate that it's become more difficult to find good lots of Eley match ammo.
It seems I'm lucky: I had the opportunity to test five batches of Eley Match last August (all manufactured in 2025) and the worst average I got in my Hart barrel by a batch was 15.3 mm (three groups of ten shots, measured from the outside). Nothing spectacular, but it suits my needs just fine.

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And for your information, it seems that testing will resume in Okotoks next January. Tesro will serve as the intermediary. This was recently reported in their newsletter.
 
Ive seen Annie 54s not shoot Tenex as well as STD + or RM.
If a lot of Tenex isn't good, no rifle will shoot it. The name on the box is never a guarantee of how it will shoot.

Rifles such as Anschutz haven't been made to favour any make of ammo because the manufacturer can never know what their rifle buyers will be using. Even barrels with chambers ostensibly made for a particular ammo make will shoot other makes. The requirement for good performance is good ammo, regardless whether it's Eley or Lapua.

It seems I'm lucky: I had the opportunity to test five batches of Eley Match last August (all manufactured in 2025) and the worst average I got in my Hart barrel by a batch was 15.3 mm (three groups of ten shots, measured from the outside). Nothing spectacular, but it suits my needs just fine.
Not necessarily lucky. While Eley has had widely recognized performance issues in recent years, it seems that it has started to come around with more recently produced ammo such as the 2025 ammo you have. This is why I hope my own 2025 Eley Match is better than the 2023 Tenex that performed poorly.
 
Interesting reading... something that just occurred to me regarding the tim thickness which could possibly explain why simple sorting is pointless. I'm pulling this theory out of my behind but, here me out.
I think that we can all agree that consistency is the key. Than why sorting doesn't necessarily improves it? It may be as simple as... perfectly uniform rim thickness lot that doesn't match headspace can give perfectly inconsistent results...
 
I have a Bald Eagle rim thickness tool.
Sorting Eley match grade found they were very consistent so I dividd them into two groups by high and low or above and below a reading.
<0.043 and >0.043 to pick a number.
There was no significant difference between the sorted ammunition and out of the box.
To rely on weighing, there are too many variables.
do not hav the equipment to measure for lengths.
 
Love to see Jeffersons method for sorting CCI SV to be the best ammo you can shoot in top level rimfire matches.

some posts just make me smile.

Jerry
 
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