Help with Swiss+ AA 12ga. #2 info. please **PLEASE REMOVE**

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Hi All,

I tried finding this stuff all over the Net, but no success.
Came from one of our Sponsor businesses here I believe.
Description;
Higher than usual brass, perhaps a little thin?
-Brown hull with gold writing, as follows; Swiss AA +, circle below that with a #2 and 3.75mm (shot size I'm assuming)
-Headstamp; Noble Sport 12
-180 rounds in a new metal ammo can
- 5 round boxes, marked Mzgw 91 Schrotpatrone 2. 590-0661 in large numbers and underneith 001-05 IDC in smaller numbers.

I recall a little Hub Bub about these because they were 'Swiss' but Noble Sport is an Italian Manufacturer??
I bought 2 cans, I think at different times (years ago) but likely from the same retailer? No reciept/record. My bad :(

Questions are;
-who sold them?
-are they any good?
-what are they worth?

Thanks much for any help you can give me :)Cheers, rwj777
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rwj777 said:
Higher than usual brass, perhaps a little thin?
-Brown hull with gold writing, as follows; Swiss AA +, circle below that with a #2 and 3.75mm (shot size I'm assuming)
-Headstamp; Noble Sport 12
-180 rounds in a new metal ammo can
- 5 round boxes, marked Mzgw 91 Schrotpatrone 2. 590-0661 in large numbers and underneith 001-05 IDC in smaller numbers.

I recall a little Hub Bub about these because they were 'Swiss' but Noble Sport is an Italian Manufacturer??
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I have heard of these but never used them. They are made by Noble Sport for the Swiss and German market where the average user is only buying enough to go hunting for one season and thus why 5 round boxes. They are a thin brass with a plastic hull, a 'budget brand' that are known to be just "ok".

Schrotpatrone = Pellet cartridge
MZGW = MzGw is the abbreviation for Mehrzweckgewehr meaning 'multi-purpose weapon" (usually multi-purpose rifle, but weapon in this case)
91 = metric equivalent of 12ga - in Europe you don't buy a "12ga" shotgun, you buy a "91" shotgun.

What you have specifically is #2 shot (#2 by my chart is .15inches or 3.81mm - plus or minus a bit of allowed deviance) and it will most likely be lead, slightly softer than normal. The problem is if they are lead, and not a composite or steel, you can't use them waterfowl hunting and would be too large or too small for a lot of other hunting. You would need to cut one open or try a magnet on them.

Questions are;
-who sold them?
-are they any good?
-what are they worth?
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- I do not know who sold them.
- From Google: They are reported to be fine and even work in semis, but the softer brass can mean extraction issues. I have never used them.
- They are the equivalent worth of a Challenger or SCORE shotshell. So less than $0.75 per round for absolute sure if they are lead based on Bass Pro having lead target loads for $12-16 a box of 25. If they are steel, maybe $1 a round.
 
Find an old abandoned car out in the wild and don’t come home till you blasted it to hell and are out of ammo.
 
Everything on the packaging and round is in German, which is one of the official languages of Switzerland. The round says "Swiss" right on it and has the cross of Switzerland on it. Noble is hazardously close to Nobel and he was Swiss. What makes you think the Italians had anything to do with that ammo?

#2 shot is pretty big and would have limited uses. What have you been using it for and what do you intend to use it for?
 
struff55 said:
all this is important because ???
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I added all that information in my reply because when you search Google for this stuff it puts this thread as the first selection (at least for me, anyways): now if someone else is searching they could get this info from here and actually get an answer.

In an age of AI that's self-feeding on itself lies, sharing real answers is important.
 
Aniest said:
I have heard of these but never used them. They are made by Noble Sport for the Swiss and German market where the average user is only buying enough to go hunting for one season and thus why 5 round boxes. They are a thin brass with a plastic hull, a 'budget brand' that are known to be just "ok".

Schrotpatrone = Pellet cartridge
MZGW = MzGw is the abbreviation for Mehrzweckgewehr meaning 'multi-purpose weapon" (usually multi-purpose rifle, but weapon in this case)
91 = metric equivalent of 12ga - in Europe you don't buy a "12ga" shotgun, you buy a "91" shotgun.

What you have specifically is #2 shot (#2 by my chart is .15inches or 3.81mm - plus or minus a bit of allowed deviance) and it will most likely be lead, slightly softer than normal. The problem is if they are lead, and not a composite or steel, you can't use them waterfowl hunting and would be too large or too small for a lot of other hunting. You would need to cut one open or try a magnet on them.



- I do not know who sold them.
- From Google: They are reported to be fine and even work in semis, but the softer brass can mean extraction issues. I have never used them.
- They are the equivalent worth of a Challenger or SCORE shotshell. So less than $0.75 per round for absolute sure if they are lead based on Bass Pro having lead target loads for $12-16 a box of 25. If they are steel, maybe $1 a round.
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Number 2 lead is great for jackrabbits and foxes. I have used it on the odd cottontail and haven’t had any lead stay in the rabbit.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
Everything on the packaging and round is in German, which is one of the official languages of Switzerland. The round says "Swiss" right on it and has the cross of Switzerland on it. Noble is hazardously close to Nobel and he was Swiss. What makes you think the Italians had anything to do with that ammo?

#2 shot is pretty big and would have limited uses. What have you been using it for and what do you intend to use it for?
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I've had it for years. Thinking coyotes around the farm. Probably just looking to sell it now. Thanks
 
These were brought in by either CSC or The Shooting Edge, and as I recall it is Swiss military surplus ammo used for pest control (hence the Swiss ammo cans).
Marcus or James B. with CSC would likely be the best bet at getting the real story.

I think I have a few cans of these stuffed at the back of one of my ammo shelves... it's a bit spicy if I remember correctly.
 
beltfed said:
These were brought in by either CSC or The Shooting Edge, and as I recall it is Swiss military surplus ammo used for pest control (hence the Swiss ammo cans).
Marcus or James B. with CSC would likely be the best bet at getting the real story.

I think I have a few cans of these stuffed at the back of one of my ammo shelves... it's a bit spicy if I remember correctly.
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Thanks beltfet! Appreciate that.
rwj777
 
I remember this stuff was on the market years back, sold as Swiss Surplus but I cannot remember who it was sold by.
 
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